Thread: Comparing Religion to an Abusive Husband

Originally Posted by psychology student

Im sorry did you think that I meant that humans need a moral code to survive? I mean they need one fro society to be decent and to function effectively.

Yeah that's true and fine.

Just leave it there though; there isn't a universal moral code as such; there are no objective morals etc.

There isn't, but there can be.

Actually, I don't think that there is any possible way to have a universal moral code in the society of human beings seeing as every interaction is a different circumstance of the morality between two human beings that express to understand each other.

Moreover, I don't believe there should be because it leaves all capacity for human growth and struggle which is essential to evolution of the social organism to be completely meaningless.

Normally I would say, "this goes without saying", but apparently psychological biases deny me that ease.

Do you believe that there should be a homogeneous set of moral values for all human beings, and if so, what would be the guidelines of this system and would there be any room for the flexibility of circumstance?

Originally Posted by psychology student

There isn't, but there can be.

How?

Do you mean just a moral code that all humans live by perfectly? Even if that happened it would still be subjective to us.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Im sorry did you think that I meant that humans need a moral code to survive? I mean they need one fro society to be decent and to function effectively.

And why should that moral code be the bible? its a work of fiction. Should i use harrypotter as my moral code?

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

And why should that moral code be the bible? its a work of fiction. Should i use harrypotter as my moral code?

Ten points for Gryffindor!

I'd only give it one or two points. The point it makes is valid, but that particular line is somewhat overused. Same reason you get -5 points for bringing up the FSM. I'm actually losing five points just for even mentioning it in my post here.

Do I get bonus points if I bring up the Crawling Potato Creature?

my main qualm with religions in which there is a perfect god is this. If the god is perfect, but humans are flawed or corrupt, how could the comprehend a perfect being's speech? They wouldnt, the words of the being would become corrupted as soon as it enters a human's ears. Thats why none of the books that claim so can be the word of God, because even if it was inspired by him/her it was corrupted by the humans who wrote it.

A perfect being making a flawed creation is a flaw.

Therefore the being is also flawed.

exactly, yet another paradox.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Same reason you get -5 points for bringing up the FSM. I'm actually losing five points just for even mentioning it in my post here.

No way. Just mentioning the FSM is enough to win any religious argument. It is an omnipotent trump card. No matter what any theist says in a debate, all you have to say back is, "Flying Spaghetti Monster?" and you win.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Do I get bonus points if I bring up the Crawling Potato Creature?

Hm, I guess it'd depend on how you're using it.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No way. Just mentioning the FSM is enough to win any religious argument. It is an omnipotent trump card. No matter what any theist says in a debate, all you have to say back is, "Flying Spaghetti Monster?" and you win.

You win, but you still lose points.

Any "moral code" we implement today will be archaic in a thousand years. The Bible's rules were used to control people in that time period when it was written. And was written with the mindset of that era. You know, killing people who work on Sunday and such. Not only would your code apply to all people, it would need to apply to all of time.

Originally Posted by TimeStopper

Any "moral code" we implement today will be archaic in a thousand years. The Bible's rules were used to control people in that time period when it was written. And was written with the mindset of that era. You know, killing people who work on Sunday and such. Not only would your code apply to all people, it would need to apply to all of time.

Well the Vatican is issuing new sins now. Road rage and polluting are now sins against god...

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Road rage and polluting are now sins against god...

People keep getting road rage because God can't drive. He is always tailgating people and blocking up the passing lane, and he comes to complete stops right when he gets into merge lanes.

god breaks all the rules even his own.

God don't give a shit.