Thread: I have come to appreciate the Christians here

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Either way, one of us is wrong, and one of us is making important decisions which affect all of mankind based on faulty reasoning. Seems reason enough to care for me.

Is that not shedding responsibility? Makes it seem like you're justifying the actions of "one of you" with the topic of those debates/arguments.

The fact that someone makes decisions that affect the world based on religion is that person's fault, not the religion's. People follow beliefs, beliefs don't force themselves upon people by themselves.

Off-topic: Oh, and, Moonbeam, I'll act as the grammar police here and note that you've been using "effect" (the noun) instead of "affect" (the verb) and "affected" (the adjective).

Ok what the hell? Are all the people on there psych majors or something? It seems they were able to figure out quite a bit of your intentions and deep emotional thoughts in 2 paragraphs...... dumbasses

The kind of people who legitimately join a site like that are the kind of people who only wish to preach to the choir. You may get some funny responses but I predict it will get old very quickly, as they typically do not have a whole lot to say. case in point, the guy who made every effort possible to drag the conversation back in the direction of quoting scripture. Eventually, thats all you'll get.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The kind of people who legitimately join a site like that are the kind of people who only wish to preach to the choir. You may get some funny responses but I predict it will get old very quickly, as they typically do not have a whole lot to say. case in point, the guy who made every effort possible to drag the conversation back in the direction of quoting scripture. Eventually, thats all you'll get.

Yay.

Um. so i just tried showing my BF the posts, and it looks to be that they deleted all of them........ pussies

Originally Posted by Merlock

Off-topic: Oh, and, Moonbeam, I'll act as the grammar police here and note that you've been using "effect" (the noun) instead of "affect" (the verb) and "affected" (the adjective).

Dammit! I never use those correctly. But it's not that simple; either can be a noun or a verb. Neither one looks right to me sometimes, so I sort of use them interchangably.

af·fect
–verb (used with object)1.to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops. 2.to impress the mind or move the feelings of: The music affected him deeply. 3.(of pain, disease, etc.) to attack or lay hold of.

–noun 4.Psychology. feeling or emotion. 5.Psychiatry. an expressed or observed emotional response: Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia. 6.Obsolete. affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling.

ef·fect
–noun 1.something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence: Exposure to the sun had the effect of toughening his skin. 2.power to produce results; efficacy; force; validity; influence: His protest had no effect. 3.the state of being effective or operative; operation or execution; accomplishment or fulfillment: to bring a plan into effect. 4.a mental or emotional impression produced, as by a painting or a speech. 5.meaning or sense; purpose or intention: She disapproved of the proposal and wrote to that effect. 6.the making of a desired impression: We had the feeling that the big, expensive car was only for effect. 7.an illusory phenomenon: a three-dimensional effect. 8.a real phenomenon (usually named for its discoverer): the Doppler effect.

–verb (used with object)10.to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen: The new machines finally effected the transition to computerized accounting last spring.

I'll try to review this periodically and finally get it into my head.

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

Um. so i just tried showing my BF the posts, and it looks to be that they deleted all of them........ pussies

You have a boyfriend and you're male?

You're an abomination according to the creator of the universe.


Sucks to be you.

Somebody on that forum said this...

And you know that light is both particle and wave, just as Jesus is God and man. The trinity is shown in many ways through nature itself.

I am starting to realize that Dream Views has Christians who are in the upper extremes of Christianity in terms of open-mindedness and sanity. That Bible site is full of some real loonies, and I would not want to be around them in person without staying 20 feet away from each one of them and carrying a gun. Those people make Keeper look like Christopher Hitchens.

I sort of feel bad about bringing attention to that site and inadvertantly inspiring an atheist invasion of it.... until I read statemenst like this one...

We know that those that deny Christ have had their "foolish heart" darkened.

Statements like that remind me that Christianity is full of dangerous ideas and needs to be challenged. I guess as long as the site administrators let you keep saying what you have to say, nothing unethical is being done in posting there.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I started doing this actively literally just a day or two ago because of the huge amounts of R/S threads that suddenly arose. Apparently more than usual or perhaps I just incidentally ran across them (but they're still flooding the "Today's Posts" search consistently as far as I can see).

Yeah, there do seem to be an unusually high amount of them.

Originally Posted by Merlock

The fact that someone makes decisions that affect the world based on religion is that person's fault, not the religion's. People follow beliefs, beliefs don't force themselves upon people by themselves.

I don't get what your point is. If we find the belief is wrong, and the person holds this belief, what is the problem with criticizing that belief? Isn't saying the person is wrong for holding that belief essentially just the same as saying the belief itself is wrong? Wording aside, what's the difference? I agree that we should hold people responsible for their actions. But if those actions are influenced by the beliefs in question, why should we not care? If we know these beliefs to be unfounded, but others remain unaware and actually support these decisions based on those beliefs (which they themselves may not hold, but may still support), it seems our very responsibility to expose them. If you can't be bothered, fine, but don't tell me I shouldn't bother either.

I got banned just for posting in that thread and joining that day.

Then my other account got banned!

Assholes!

They banned my first 2 accounts and then banned an account I made with a proxy and I hadn't even posted yet. It's inconceivable!

Perhaps the Operation should move to bibleforums.com. They don't seem as ban-happy.

Perhaps the Operation should move to bibleforums.com. They don't seem as ban-happy.

What?

Hehe. Their image has sunk even lower. I thought it was impossible.

What would happen if a bunch of Christians posed as atheists in an atheist forum? I will tell you. Absolutely nothing. Atheists don't bury their heads in the sand at the first sign of challenge.

(And before psychology student or anyone else gets pissed off, I'm only saying bad things about the people on that forum, not all Christians. Okay? Have a cookie.)

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I am starting to realize that Dream Views has Christians who are in the upper extremes of Christianity in terms of open-mindedness and sanity.

Thank you for reiterating my original point to this topic Universal. The Christians here are great compared to other places. Even Psych Student

There is a difference between Christianity and Christendom. Considering the post's I've been reading in this thread, it's safe to say that you guys are referring to the latter.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

There is a difference between Christianity and Christendom. Considering the post's I've been reading in this thread, it's safe to say that you guys are referring to the latter.

How the heck are the rest of us supposed to know who should be considered Christian and who should not, considering they all claim that they are Christian and all claim to be following god.

Originally Posted by Mark75

I don't get what your point is. If we find the belief is wrong, and the person holds this belief, what is the problem with criticizing that belief? Isn't saying the person is wrong for holding that belief essentially just the same as saying the belief itself is wrong? Wording aside, what's the difference? I agree that we should hold people responsible for their actions. But if those actions are influenced by the beliefs in question, why should we not care? If we know these beliefs to be unfounded, but others remain unaware and actually support these decisions based on those beliefs (which they themselves may not hold, but may still support), it seems our very responsibility to expose them. If you can't be bothered, fine, but don't tell me I shouldn't bother either.

Don't you see how that's a stalemate?

Atheists follow the same example as the theists provide, by taking an absolute position on the matter of a god, but apparently just because they aren't happy with the people and what they do because of their beliefs? Not because you actually care about the existence/non-existence of God?

I guess it's easier to explain my position to an atheist: since you "don't believe" in a god, why would you care about disproving one? You are the pinnacle of consciousness yourself, just like any human being. And you "know" there is no magic man in the sky who is ultimately more powerful than you (while I say that even if there is one, he still isn't ultimately more powerful) both because no one can be ultimately more powerful (ultimate injustice can't exist since it would mean ultimate disbalance in existence, which can't be) and because you are in yourself infinitely powerful, have infinite potential for achieving any knowledge and thus any power. The foundation behind this position: knowledge is power because anything requires knowledge to be achieved.

As for those who are religious, well, it's not a matter of disproving God to them but rather of showing the insignificance of a god to their lives along with showing the lack of wisdom in "believing" anything. So to explain my position to someone who believes in God, I would say: you are a conscious self-aware being. You are all-powerful and have infinite potential yourself. Why do you take comfort in being ultimately less than someone else? God can exist but it matters not if he does because he is no threat nor any use to us in our lives (no imminent threat) and no ultimate threat either because ultimately we are no less in any way than any god, we just have less knowledge and power at the moment, that's all.

Edit: Hm, well, it seems I've gotten a number of replies from vague ones due to lack of understanding to utter denial, in a number of topics here, so I guess my curiosity is fed, as it were. I'll go contemplate this more and leave the R/S forum behind once more. This place can be exhausting.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

(And before psychology student or anyone else gets pissed off, I'm only saying bad things about the people on that forum, not all Christians. Okay? Have a cookie.)

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Thank you for reiterating my original point to this topic Universal. The Christians here are great compared to other places. Even Psych Student

Man, I getting some negative energies from this area!

Originally Posted by psychology student

Man, I getting some negative energies from this area!

Feel the Love man!!!

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

How the heck are the rest of us supposed to know who should be considered Christian and who should not, considering they all claim that they are Christian and all claim to be following god.

It's easy to tell the difference if you're really interested in knowing and if so, then all it takes is a little research.

It's very easy to tell who's christian and who is not.

The ones who actually post and honestly belive the bullcrap the put up deters the points and pertains to the questions and points being made

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

It's easy to tell the difference if you're really interested in knowing and if so, then all it takes is a little research.

Regardless of the title you put on them, their God is illogical and a bad influence.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Regardless of the title you put on them, their God is illogical and a bad influence.

Well thats your opinion and you're entitled to that. I myself could never think on those terms but everyones different, so whatever floats your boat.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Don't you see how that's a stalemate?

Atheists follow the same example as the theists provide, by taking an absolute position on the matter of a god, but apparently just because they aren't happy with the people and what they do because of their beliefs? Not because you actually care about the existence/non-existence of God?

I give up.