Thread: I have come to appreciate the Christians here

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

This dicussion has no effect or relevance to your life. Why are you not open-minded and truly wise enough to not care about people caring about religion?

I'm trying to get some sort of reply to my position. Up to this point, all my "interventions" have ended in nothing being replied in the end or in some sort of stalemate (the kind caused by lack of understanding, rather than lack of arguments that lead to stalemates between theists and atheists). Not sure if that means that my position is infallible or if others just don't understand it but that sparks curiosity, leading me to inject my position into more threads here.

Besides, things that have real meaning to me I'm patient enough to keep to myself. So, aye, this is out of curiosity and a bit of boredom, I suppose.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I'm trying to get some sort of reply to my position. Up to this point, all my "interventions" have ended in nothing being replied in the end or in some sort of stalemate (the kind caused by lack of understanding, rather than lack of arguments that lead to stalemates between theists and atheists). Not sure if that means that my position is infallible or if others just don't understand it but that sparks curiosity, leading me to inject my position into more threads here.

Besides, things that have real meaning to me I'm patient enough to keep to myself. So, aye, this is out of curiosity and a bit of boredom, I suppose.

Just that fact that you participate enough to say that people should quit arguing about it should tell you something. Pointing this out was supposed to be ironic. Even you, who says it means nothing to him one way or another, is being effected.

I'm not affected by religion. I'm affected by these debates. And I never said I don't care about other people. I simply don't care about the existence of a god.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I'm not affected by religion. I'm affected by these debates. And I never said I don't care about other people. I simply don't care about the existence of a god.

I wasn't implying that you said that you didn't care about other people; I don't think that and I understand what you are saying.

You, in this very minor way, are being effected by religion, just because people around you are arguing about it. If people were physically fighting, you would be even more effected, right? That is actually happening in some places. In addition, laws are passed based on religious viewpoints, which effect other people. I don't know where you are, so I don't know if or how you are actually escaping some sort of religious effect on your life.

I am just trying to show you that religion effects everyone. Even you, who claims not to care, disproves what you say by being annoyed (or whatever feeling you are having) by the debates. I realize this is minor, and maybe if the arguing went away, you would actually cease to be effected by religion, but I doubt it, and the reason no one is joining your outlook as you complained above is that it is obvious to most people how much religion effects their lives.

This is not to say that anything that annoys other people is worthy of argued about. Just the things that threaten peoples lives, oppress them, etc.--like religion.

But I'm not annoyed and I don't feel any feelings about the debates.
Like I said, and I'm not lying or twisting the truth, I'm just trying to get a reply to my position, out of sheer curiosity.

I started doing this actively literally just a day or two ago because of the huge amounts of R/S threads that suddenly arose. Apparently more than usual or perhaps I just incidentally ran across them (but they're still flooding the "Today's Posts" search consistently as far as I can see). They captured my attention and my curiosity after I read through them.

I'm curious about the mind frames of those arguing/debating here, that's all. Introspection, mental analysis and all such are things I'm well versed in. Hence, this "attempt" of mine.

The kind of people who legitimately join a site like that are the kind of people who only wish to preach to the choir. You may get some funny responses but I predict it will get old very quickly, as they typically do not have a whole lot to say. case in point, the guy who made every effort possible to drag the conversation back in the direction of quoting scripture. Eventually, thats all you'll get.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The kind of people who legitimately join a site like that are the kind of people who only wish to preach to the choir. You may get some funny responses but I predict it will get old very quickly, as they typically do not have a whole lot to say. case in point, the guy who made every effort possible to drag the conversation back in the direction of quoting scripture. Eventually, thats all you'll get.

Yay.

Originally Posted by Merlock

I'm not affected by religion. I'm affected by these debates. And I never said I don't care about other people. I simply don't care about the existence of a god.

The reason I care is that I think it's important to stand for logic and reason. I see that both militant atheists and all theists are being illogical and unreasonable, so I attempt to either A) Show them reason, or B) Learn the reason that I can't yet see.

Either way, one of us is wrong, and one of us is making important decisions which affect all of mankind based on faulty reasoning. Seems reason enough to care for me.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Either way, one of us is wrong, and one of us is making important decisions which affect all of mankind based on faulty reasoning. Seems reason enough to care for me.

Is that not shedding responsibility? Makes it seem like you're justifying the actions of "one of you" with the topic of those debates/arguments.

The fact that someone makes decisions that affect the world based on religion is that person's fault, not the religion's. People follow beliefs, beliefs don't force themselves upon people by themselves.

Off-topic: Oh, and, Moonbeam, I'll act as the grammar police here and note that you've been using "effect" (the noun) instead of "affect" (the verb) and "affected" (the adjective).

Ok what the hell? Are all the people on there psych majors or something? It seems they were able to figure out quite a bit of your intentions and deep emotional thoughts in 2 paragraphs...... dumbasses

Originally Posted by Merlock

Off-topic: Oh, and, Moonbeam, I'll act as the grammar police here and note that you've been using "effect" (the noun) instead of "affect" (the verb) and "affected" (the adjective).

Dammit! I never use those correctly. But it's not that simple; either can be a noun or a verb. Neither one looks right to me sometimes, so I sort of use them interchangably.

af·fect
–verb (used with object)1.to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops. 2.to impress the mind or move the feelings of: The music affected him deeply. 3.(of pain, disease, etc.) to attack or lay hold of.

–noun 4.Psychology. feeling or emotion. 5.Psychiatry. an expressed or observed emotional response: Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia. 6.Obsolete. affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling.

ef·fect
–noun 1.something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence: Exposure to the sun had the effect of toughening his skin. 2.power to produce results; efficacy; force; validity; influence: His protest had no effect. 3.the state of being effective or operative; operation or execution; accomplishment or fulfillment: to bring a plan into effect. 4.a mental or emotional impression produced, as by a painting or a speech. 5.meaning or sense; purpose or intention: She disapproved of the proposal and wrote to that effect. 6.the making of a desired impression: We had the feeling that the big, expensive car was only for effect. 7.an illusory phenomenon: a three-dimensional effect. 8.a real phenomenon (usually named for its discoverer): the Doppler effect.

–verb (used with object)10.to produce as an effect; bring about; accomplish; make happen: The new machines finally effected the transition to computerized accounting last spring.

I'll try to review this periodically and finally get it into my head.

Haha your last post was awsome and so true doesnt look like they had a comeback to that.