I don't have time to write anything up about this now but I will later.
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Originally Posted by GUYS I JUST SPOKE TO GOD!
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I don't have time to write anything up about this now but I will later.
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Originally Posted by GUYS I JUST SPOKE TO GOD!
Umm, okay. :?
Very intelligent way to put it.
I don't have time to comment but I will later. XD :banana:
I believe this is a statement.
Fine but if ya gonna make a new post at least have a youtube link or "discuss" lulz. :P Also he added an obscure and slightly random quote to add to the layer of confusion here.
Christianity is not Obsolete. Startement made.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
Sometimes I feel like people just feel the need to make a thread no matter how incomplete and nonsensical it is.
I disagree with your disagreement. (this is how real arguments around here goes anyway only with lots of words attached).Quote:
Originally Posted by Taosaur
I know exactly what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium
You obviously don't understand the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
Obsolete means completely useless.
Sociologists have found that religious institutes are linked to lower suicide rates.
Christianity is a religion consisting of many religious institutes.
Christianity has some purpose, hence not obsolete.
Aren't combs made out of sticks obsolete? Yet they can still help you straighten out your hair. One must utilize one's comb constant in order to witness the full power of this concept.
And obsolete just means outmoded, there's nothing in existence that holds no use at all.
And also you assume that lower suicide rates are necessarily useful.
Fair enough. Assume the above post gave the definition for obsolete as "outdated". It still stands. Christianity gives a moral framework to love your neighbors, to be humble and turn the other cheek. How is this outdated?
Also anyone who brings up burning witches and killing cattle, please educate yourselves on the division between the old and new testaments.
Wait, so you guys are saying this isn't a valid thread? I wish I would have know that before I killed my dentist...
Who here agrees that lower suicide rates is a good thing? o_O Seems useful to me, I dunno...Quote:
Originally Posted by M-Cat
The issue is 'stupid people'. Seriously though there's no background information on that quote and I'm shooting in the dark here as to exactly why, point by point, he backs his statement.Quote:
Wait, so you guys are saying this isn't a valid thread? I wish I would have know that before I killed my dentist...
In before clothes.
Only because suicide is considered a sin....Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
this doesn't make Christianity relevant, or necessarily a good idea
Living at the top of a mountain reduces the chances of drowning
but it's not a good idea
What about slavery, which is condoned by Jesus in the New Testament?Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
You are correct that Jesus never condemned the institution of slavery. In addition I cannot refute that slavery was a huge thing in those days. If he outright agreed with it than it must have slipped passed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
The Bible makes many references to servants. For example we are slaves to sin, we are servants of God.
That said Jesus' mentions of slaves are in parables. The servant who is wise with what he is given will be rewarded. The servant who keeps things in order and doesn't beat the other servants will be put in charge of all the masters possessions. Simply put, we are the servants and He is the master who will return.
To sum it up slavery was accepted at that time. Yet to the slaves it was told, "Slaves, obey your masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and Reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord not for men, since you know that you will recieve an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism." Col 4:22
You can think this was a political tool to demand servitude if you wish, but suppose for a second that it was true, as obviously Christians do. Slaves get an inheritance as a reward.
I don't have much to say to this honestly other than I doubt that there were less suicides on the merit that suicide is a sin. Some, sure. I believe it has to do with moral framework, support from the institutions and hope of the thereafter.Quote:
Only because suicide is considered a sin....
this doesn't make Christianity relevant, or necessarily a good idea
Living at the top of a mountain reduces the chances of drowning
but it's not a good idea
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Originally Posted by Ynot
Man, people really need to realise what we're talking about... We're not talking about christianity being "relevant" or a "good idea". We're agruing whether it is obsolete or not.
It serves a purpose, just not a good one.
Christianity gives some people a bit of meaning in their lives - often to people who were going through difficult times before they adopt the religion fully. Many of the die-hard Christians I know turned to the religion after going through stages of suicidal depression, drug use, self-harming, feeling worthless, lost, hopeless, et cetera... To people who have nothing to live for, religion can give them something.
This, however, isn't neccessarily a good thing, at all. It is taking advantage of the weakened state of the person and making their lives even more worthless. Whilst religious people may think that they now have some special meaning, in truth all they are doing is wasting their time on worshipping a god who does not exist - time with which they could instead be actually living their lives to their fullest potential.
Other than that sort of thing, Christianity motivates some people to do good things... but again, for the wrong reasons. We should help our fellow humans beings because we genuinely care; not because we want to gain brownie points with Jesus in order to get into heaven.
Duuuuuuuhhhhhh. Anyone with more than a fifth grade education can tell you that any religion is obsolete :P
BTW, All religions promote good deeds for the wrong reasons. I'm atheist so if I do something nice, it's just to be nice.
When many Christians believe you are saved through grace and not through good deeds, that does not apply. Doing good for other people should come from the heart. It certainly shouldn't be for the wrong reasons. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
That's my point, do good things to be good, not to get into your jewdo-christian heaven