A thought on the Bible...

psychology student, the fact that you or anybody is christian doesn't get you condemned. It doesn't make (many) people hate you. Hypocracy, arrogance, being sure that you are right on controversial and ultimately impossible to prove topics such as these do though. Now, people will probably have a pre-set bias towards you because Christians are both very widely known for this and because they are the biggest religion in the world. No matter what you think, from an unbiased view, Christians are by far worse than any other religion at those topics.

That being said, a majority of the population are self riteous hypocrites. Because they are the major religion and religion DOES play a role in everything that is influenced by humans because we put ourselves into our actions, most things are Christian influenced. The president is a Christian, so yhere is a strong Christian role in the government. As fucked as that is, its true.

Christianity, Manu of the times isn't chosen, but forced upon people at an early age by parents and grandparents. When somebody grows up all their lives with something doves in their faces by their amily and peers, it is unlikely that they will break that chain. People who are abused as hildren are morelikely to abuse as adults, people who are raised by racists will likely grow up racist, people who have alcoholics asparwnts are more likely to be alcoholics. These have all been proven, and the same goes for religion especially. So you have no argument there.

You may call all of this stereotyping, and you're right. It is, but its the truth. Just because its stereotyping doesnt make it false.

Overall, you are a hypocrit. You know less than you advertise and claim to be right, you have called badly everybody that disagrees with your own beliefs in spirituality wrong or hypocrites themselves. I'm sure that one with any sort of sense should see the problem with this.

So far from wha I've seen you're losing a fight that, if played logically, should end in a draw. Which is what I find hilarious.

"the fact that you or anybody is christian doesn't get you condemned"
oh yes it does, people have their own problems with christianity and they generalise it to me:

-"You quite possibly should be committed", said some guy who had previously not been involved in the debate, and said this solely for the fact that I cited beliefs of a Christian nature.
-Another guy just "hates" Christianity.



And the situation in America is democracy, majority rule. If you don't like it, go elsewhere, or, deal with it. This is not Christianity's fault, it is democracies fault, it is just a coincidence that the Christians are the majority, in the USA. They are not elsewhere. And I hope people observe the irony of being oppressed by democracy.

Children are brought up Christian by Christian parents because this is the only way possible in the eyes of their parents, being Christians. You bring up kids in the best way you know how, and at the discretion of the parents. Again, I see potential hypocrisy here: you don't want parents to be able to bring up their children how they wish, but you moan and groan (or the general tendency in this thread is to do so) about the fact the the so-called christian government is taking away your rights to do as you wish!
Parents will bring up their kids in the best way they know how, for Christian parents this will be in a Christian way. It is a logical process that cannot be changed by politics or anything else within a democracy. If someone was non-religious they would bring up their kids in a non-religious way. It is logic that cannot be usurped by lawful means, there is no point fighting it.


Stephent 91 said:
"You may call all of this stereotyping, and you're right. It is, but its the truth. Just because its stereotyping doesnt make it false". Are you saying that I as a person who has introduced Christian ideals to a forum, should be blamed for the Christian ethos existant in American politics, and its supposed hinderance of some freedoms, even when I have no affiliation with America and live in another country? If so, you are wrong, and such a view is meandering into idiotic imbisilic pandemonic stereotyping (essentially racism).
Maybe you missed it, but previously, I took a view contradictory to your supposed oppressors.

Stephent91 said:
"Overall, you are a hypocrit. You know less than you advertise and claim to be right, you have called badly everybody that disagrees with your own beliefs in spirituality wrong or hypocrites themselves. I'm sure that one with any sort of sense should see the problem with this".

-Please explain how I am a hypocrite.
-I didn't "advertise" to know anything, I just introduced, Christianity into a debate about the bible.
-Please tell me how I claim to be right.
-When you say "called badly", i think you mean insult. Which I disagree with, if I have pointed out inadequacies, such as hypocrisy, it is only because I think that they exist, and they are never personal. If anyone has been offended, then I apologise. Come on you know I love y'all :)

Again, I never said I was a Christian, but I will defend against anyone who unecessarily bashes Christianity or shows unnecessary religious intolerance.

Stephent 91 said:
"So far from wha I've seen you're losing a fight that, if played logically, should end in a draw. Which is what I find hilarious".
When this became a fight, I don't know, it is a debate. More importantly it so far has not been a debate between Christianity and science or the for and against the truthfulness of Christianity, but, a debate between those for stereotyping Christians (most of you) and the defence that you should't stereotype Christianity (me).
Are you suggesting that the stereotypers are winning and that naturally following on, it is right to stereotype Christianity? If not please eloborate on your statement. Furthermore, how should it end in a draw, and how is it hilarious?

for some reason you think that um blaming you or Christianity for anything. You're very lost and are taking too much at defense. I never blamed you or cjristiantt for he bullshit going on anywhere. I stated that Christianity is the major contributer to everything became it I'd the major religion. You, being the asshole you are, mistook me for the other people apparently and took offense to h I was saint and thought was bashing people. Maybe you could get off your high and mighty throne sometime and join us in logical thinking you fucking arrogant hypocrite.

I don't need to further explain anything I have said because it is all clearly there if you'd take the time to read it without misinterpreting everything and reading it like you'd like it to ne written. Now I see why so many people have given up on this topic. You're hopeless.

I'm not really here to enter the debate, just quote the following by Stephen:

"The president is a Christian"

Anyone can say it. I think Christianity is a lot less of a majority than it is taken for as any person can check off that box on the census.

That said, I am extremely suspicious of the intentions of the political religious right. After the first year of Bush's presidency I haven't seen him as being a Christian, just a politician who gets support by saying "God bless america". It's either that or he's screwing up royally with all the blood on his hands.

(<- one who chose, wasn't forced upon me.)

People blamed me, saying things like I should be "committed", for simply introducing christian beliefs. And you denied it when you said it "doesn't get you condemned". I tried to explain this to you.

if i've misinterpreted something tell me, you were unclear many times, don't start swearing and getting personal. I asked you to clarify many things in your last post that i didn't understand.

I don't need to get of my throne or anything like that, I have the highground now as you got personal and started swearing.

theres no need to swear or get personal, it easy to do on a virtual forum, just explain yourself better.

and i agree with Gestaltalteration, i dont think bush is a christian but uses this stance for support.

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Originally Posted by psychology student

People blamed me, saying things like I should be "committed", for simply introducing christian beliefs.

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Christian beliefs are as follows:

-A senior citizen built an ark that held all animals for a 40 day flood then repopulated the whole earth, while in the process having sex with his daughters (ewww)
-snakes talked
-world created in 6 days around 10,000 years ago
-woman created from a rib
-walk around a city a bunch of times and blow a horn and it will fall
-epilepsy is actually demonic possessions
-a loving god who created a lake of fire for unbelievers
-a heaven filled with golden houses where you get to worship an asshole god for eternity while unbelieving loved ones live in eternal torture
-talking bushes
-rising from the dead
-invisible angels
-invisible demons
-telepathy with a god
-a god who is omniscient, omnipotent, knows past, present & future, but yet somehow we still have free will
-a god who is always watching over us, whether having sex, masturbating, or any other personal thing
-a god without a creator
-evolution and all the evidence for it was planted by satan
-oh yeah, satan. I love that guy
-creationism
-Out of the 10,000 religions and all the dead ones from the past, their religion is the right one because their book says so and all the other books are just lying
-think that their moments of joy and happiness are caused by having a relationship with an invisible, mute, intangible god and not a process of the brain
-can't understand that micro-evolution + lots of time = macro-evolution, when a 6-year-old could figure that out
-that somehow god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit are somehow one being split in the three even though it says nothing like that in their bible and contradicts it (Jesus: "Only my father knows the time")
-Jesus is coming back in a blaze of glory to smite the unbelievers and bring his kingdom, even though it clearly says in Matthew 24:34 that he would return before the current generation died: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
-the soul enters a child upon the moment of conception, even though it is merely a 70-celled blastocyst in which can still split to form twins (two souls?)
-gays are wrong because their book says so, even though it is abundant in nature, and we are, after all, animals (primates to be more exact)
-good things are the work of their god, while bad things were "his plan" (apparently to make us miserable)
-that they know, and I mean KNOW the TRUTH about Jesus and god and the bible. Why? Because they have always known since the first word could be understood and their parents could start the indoctrination process

THESE are the reasons you should be committed. All these thing are completely and utterly ridiculous. Christians, take a look at Islam and wonder why you laugh at Muhammad riding to heaven on a winged-horse yet you don't bat an eye at all the things mentioned above. This, is indoctrination.

people hate Christianity for reasons. Not just because its a religion. I stated some of the reasons above. Now I don't hate christianiy or Christians. I dislike some point and views of Christianity as I dislike some Christians for some reasons. I also dislike nearly all religions and some people from nearly all religions for various reasons. I also like much more people rom all religions and like various points and have learned from many religions. My point was that people don't hate Christians or anybody just for the hell of it. Earlier you were thinking that the reasons could be envy or something along those lines. I was pointing out the hypocrity in that one statement alone. Its the "oh, everybody hates us Christians" card that is so annoying. You took that to offense and discredited what I said it seemed for no reason and acted very very arrogantly. You believe youve been a saint in this conversation it seems while youve been just as bad as everybody else. You misinterpreted everything the second you judged me as a bashing religion hating athiest, so you never read it how it was supposed to be. Thats probably why people have blamed you of anything.

I think I have a right to get personal when you assume things about me like that. Its not as easy to do online because I'm currently stuck in bed after surgery typing this on my phone ;) If only you knew me in real life so I could say the exact same things in person. :D

Gestalt, I respect you for (seemingly) having wisdom enough to think through tour
decision of spirituality.

Needcatscan:
yes but this is religion, religion is nonsensical, religion is not scientific, if it were it would not exist and we wouldnt be governed by something 2000 years old, we would have made scientific progress. I could easily judge science by religious parameters, but this would not be right. They should be seperate.
I know your just trying to promote the logical conclusion, and I understand all you arguments, and your perspective, but for many, religious beliefs are seperate from logical ones.


And Stephen:

I did not call anyone a bashing religion hating atheist and neither did i play the everybody hates me card, i was reffering the general sway of posts, heres one:

"It fricken affects me when I have christians deciding who is going to be president, that I can't get married to my lover and telling me I'm going to hell. How is it indoctrination? Well if you saw it from my perspective (that everything you say is completely rediculous and you quite possibly should be committed) then you would know why you're indoctrinated".

Take from it what you will.

I havent been a saint, everybody is a sinner, and neither do i think that i am a saint

im just defending myself, in no way did i intend anything about your character, neither was i speaking specifically to you.

but, there is no need to get personal, and it is easy to do online. And it would be wrong and hard to do it in person because then you would be in surgery again:D

That's true, I'd have to wait till I heal. ;)

The whole point of my original post was to point that nobody's absolutely right in faith, everybody is hypocritous (especially relgions), and that there's reasons why people are against religions and religious people. The end. I'm sure that any logical person should agree.

I am now also done with this thread. It's very annoying and I don't see anybody learning, changing, or any conclusions being
made.

but most importantly no hard feelings:)

I haven't read this, and I don't intend too hehe, I have no quable. I just remembered a funny anecdote from my childhood and I thought I should share it since I remembered it while reading part of the first page...

I was talking with another child...someone how we got on the subject of God.

Other kid: God can't make mistakes!
Me: Yes he can.
Other kid: No, God is perfect.
Me: Explain you.

;) thank you for bring back my childhood memory.

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Originally Posted by psychology student

i was reffering the general sway of posts, heres one:

"It fricken affects me when I have christians deciding who is going to be president, that I can't get married to my lover and telling me I'm going to hell. How is it indoctrination? Well if you saw it from my perspective (that everything you say is completely rediculous and you quite possibly should be committed) then you would know why you're indoctrinated".

Take from it what you will.

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I don't believe my one pissed off post qualifies as a "general sway" but anyway, Peace :banana: