Thread: athiest troll religion section

Originally Posted by skysaw

It certainly is not a joke. I've never heard of an athiest attacking someone because of their religion. On the other hand, consider:

Christian vs. Muslem
Protostant vs. Catholic
Sunni vs. shi'ite
Palestine vs. Israel
First Crusade 1095-1099
Second Crusade 1147–1149
Third Crusade 1187–1192
Fourth Crusade 1202–1204
Albigensian Crusade 1209
Fifth Crusade 1217–1221
Sixth Crusade 1228–1229
Seventh Crusade 1248–1254
Crusade against the Tatars 1259
Eighth Crusade 1270
Ninth Crusade 1271–1272
Aragonese Crusade 1284-1285
Crusade of Nicopolis 1396
Wendish Crusade 1147
Crusade against the Stedingers 1232-1234
Prussian Crusade 13th century
Alexandrian Crusade 1365
Bohemian Wars 1420-1434
Crusade of Varna 1444
Crusade of 1456
Matthew Shephard
9/11
Jihad
Westboro Baptist Church

Should I go on, or is that sufficient?

You've never heard of an atheist attacking someone because of their religion? Really? What about all over this section of the forum? That's what I'm talking about.

You're right, those conflicts are because of religion. I don't consider someone really Christian or whatever religion if they feel the best way to "save" someone is to kill them. After all, wasn't Jesus Christ about love and understanding?

My point was just that atheists on this forum section seem to have nothing better to do then to tear apart peoples beliefs and ideals.

Originally Posted by Grod

You've never heard of an atheist attacking someone because of their religion? Really? What about all over this section of the forum? That's what I'm talking about....

My point was just that atheists on this forum section seem to have nothing better to do then to tear apart peoples beliefs and ideals.

My assertion: "It's my belief that overall, Atheists and Agnostics are among the most tolerant people in the world" was seen as a joke by you. My list of atrocities committed in the name of religion was countered by "atheists attack with words on an internet forum." Would you not agree that there is a large disparity in our examples that might suggest my claim had merit?

To put it more succinctly, which is more tolerant?:
1. Countering one's religious claims with words.
2. Countering one's religious claims with genocide.

Now how about some examples of atrocity in the name of Atheism? Perhaps you could dig up one or two for me?

Originally Posted by skysaw

My assertion: "It's my belief that overall, Atheists and Agnostics are among the most tolerant people in the world" was seen as a joke by you. My list of atrocities committed in the name of religion was countered by "atheists attack with words on an internet forum." Would you not agree that there is a large disparity in our examples that might suggest my claim had merit?

To put it more succinctly, which is more tolerant?:
1. Countering one's religious claims with words.
2. Countering one's religious claims with genocide.

Now how about some examples of atrocity in the name of Atheism? Perhaps you could dig up one or two for me?

I already adressed this in my other post.

Here, I'll put it again.

Grod
You're right, those conflicts are because of religion. I don't consider someone really Christian or whatever religion if they feel the best way to "save" someone is to kill them. After all, wasn't Jesus Christ about love and understanding?

I don't know where you got that I'm arguing theologists have committed less crimes than atheists. Obviously relegion has done a lot of harm in this world. And why do you think this is an argument about who is more tolerant?

My only point was atheists should not be allowed in the relegion forum to ridicule and harass members.


Wow, I didn't see this, sorry about that.

although this is a bumped thread i guess there's not too much harm replying now..

Well as a compromise Grod. Maybe this R&S forum could be split in half. One for discussion of how one practices their faith and such, which would be for religious people only. Basically no debate here, just those who believe deepening it.

Then separately a section to debate religions and ask questions on them.

Then everyone is happy! Also i don't think it will create any isolation or feelings of prejudice or anything, at least i hope not..

Originally Posted by Bosco

Why do so many athiest troll the religion post?

Because of people like you and the fact that it's unmoderated.

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

although this is a bumped thread i guess there's not too much harm replying now..

Well as a compromise Grod. Maybe this R&S forum could be split in half. One for discussion of how one practices their faith and such, which would be for religious people only. Basically no debate here, just those who believe deepening it.

Then separately a section to debate religions and ask questions on them.

Then everyone is happy! Also i don't think it will create any isolation or feelings of prejudice or anything, at least i hope not..

I think I heard that after New Years only people of faith will be allowed in, so it works out anyway. This may be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Grod

I think I heard that after New Years only people of faith will be allowed in, so it works out anyway. This may be wrong though.

It's going to be made like that "Beyond Dreaming" section?

Originally Posted by Grod

I think I heard that after New Years only people of faith will be allowed in, so it works out anyway. This may be wrong though.

So how will that work? Christians only, agnostics too, or will you have to name a belief system so that only non-religious atheists are excluded?

Alright, I'm officially Nordic now. For the All-Father! Exclude me from your forum and Heimdall will blow the Gjallarhorn and all shall be blood and splinters!

Originally Posted by Taosaur

So how will that work? Christians only, agnostics too, or will you have to name a belief system so that only non-religious atheists are excluded?

Uh... People who practice religion?

Originally Posted by Grod

You've never heard of an atheist attacking someone because of their religion? Really? What about all over this section of the forum? That's what I'm talking about.

You're right, those conflicts are because of religion. I don't consider someone really Christian or whatever religion if they feel the best way to "save" someone is to kill them. After all, wasn't Jesus Christ about love and understanding?

My point was just that atheists on this forum section seem to have nothing better to do then to tear apart peoples beliefs and ideals.

I highly suggest you see "The Root of All Evil" by Richard Dawkins.

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Originally Posted by Grod

You've never heard of an atheist attacking someone because of their religion? Really? What about all over this section of the forum? That's what I'm talking about.

You're right, those conflicts are because of religion. I don't consider someone really Christian or whatever religion if they feel the best way to "save" someone is to kill them. After all, wasn't Jesus Christ about love and understanding?

My point was just that atheists on this forum section seem to have nothing better to do then to tear apart peoples beliefs and ideals.

Not really attack. Or even be so mean as many religious people I have seen have been.

I am Agnostic. I post my beliefs on here. A lot. I talk about religion and my beliefs. A lot. Usually it is another person talking about it to me, or I jump into a conversation about it if it's a good, interesting debate. I state my opinions on my spirituality, and provide my views of others to further explain why I have my views, and so that others can relate. Many times, I do think kind of jokingly that most people like me would get, and I understand that it could easily seem harsh to somebody if taken the wrong way. I may say some stupid crack about Jesus or Christians, that isn't meant to harm, for instance, but many times they are taken seriously.

It's natural of course. People don't want to hear that something major about them is being frowned upon or even harshly rejected.

Me vs Christian.

Step one. I say why I'm Agnostic:
I say my views that religions are techniques to control the masses for gain and power, and that I don't like following what another human says I should do to live my spiritual life. I think that we should all find our own paths.

He says why he's Christian:
Christian says that he believes in Jesus and the Bible, and that he would rather follow Jesus with his promised eternal life, dieing for our sins, forgiveness, etc.

I say why I'm not Christian:
I understand his believes that. I then might give some examples why I don't believe them. I might talk about how the Bible was written by humans who have emotions, make mistakes, and are crazy. And that it was written thousands of years ago and translated through umpteenth languages that have nothing to do with any form of English or Latin.

He says why he's not agnostic:
His reason for not being Agnostic is probably... "You're going to hell."

I think that he's now just lost for arguments and is now being somewhat of an ass. So I say that I think Christians are blind sheep following a shepherd with a fat wallet and a high throne of power in this world.

I think that it usually escalates from peace to either minor bashing, or, in some cases, there's an ass hole that makes it go crazy.

For the most case though, I'd say religious people cause most fights against other religions. Agnostics are mostly open minded and peaceful, or at least will listen to you.

yeah i agree that really no one needs to give a label to their religion. If you believe in a creator then ok fine, be nice person like i'm sure they would want you to and pray to him in private if you want, but what you don't need to do is join what is almost a company to pray to God. I mean how do you pick? Islam or Christianity, they are so very similar in their basic messages. Surely it's better to worship God in your own way and accept that other people don't share your beliefs.

When i debated to an adult in the "grill a Christian" thing at our school to help raise knowledge about Christianity and hopefully convert agnostics. It didn't end in " oh well your going to hell" but it did end with him dismissing anything i said and saying a mix of " close minded" " arrogant" "Stupid" "simple" etc...

Hmph well, a whole debate based only the Biblical references and made up metaphors are not enough..

Exactly.

That's also the thing I can't stand about religions is the converting.

If you're a person that goes to smebody and says, "I'm not sure about religion or spirituality. Can I have some advice?" Then I would understand somebody trying to convert them.

But whenever people come up to me while I'm eating food and talking to friends at lunch to give me a flyer to some church lockin and tell me about church and Christianity. Even after I repeatedly say no they never give in.

To Christians: If you come across somebody that is strongly spiritual, be them Agnostic, Buddhist, Islam, Jewish, Pagan, or anything at all. Even a strongly Atheist person. DO NOT try to convert them or get them to go to your church unless there is some really good fucking food there that I can eat for free. And I don't mean church food. I mean some good Filet Minion. Nobody will convert if they really are strong in whatever faiths they may have.




The bad part is, I sit with a bunch of hippies (including me ) and potheads, so we're kind of a target for them. Convert the hippies!

hmph i think true Pagans are basically gone. I'm sure there are groups who have found scriptures( if there are any exact written down guide lines) and practice it is how it was. But looking at a few kids at my school, being pagan seems to be fashion label or something, look at me in pagan im so different you can't understand me. Praying to a God of horses( which again probably isn't the intention of original paganism, folk of the land, woo).... genius..... oh wait we're humans, lol.

I was just naming random religions.

That's kind of true though. There's a Pagan kid in my latin class. He carries a big damn book of spells with him haha.

It seems kind of like the Renessaince fair. The people dress up like midevils, but they're not really.