Thread: The Golden Compass. Further religious hypocrisy

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

Christianity gets shit? You cannot go into politics unless you're religious. A recent poll that was done showed America was least comfortable with an atheist in office. That was over gays,blacks and women. I would say that christian's don't get slammed nearly as much. Just my opinion

You're talking about American politics. In the UK a religious politician doesn't get much more of an advantage over an non-religious one. The issue is rarely brought up (though Tony Blair did begin to lean towards his faith nearing the end of his career).

No, Christianity is a fairly easy target over here.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Imagine that, monotheism from polytheism. I never would have guessed .

Oh, how very cutting.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No offense, but i'd say that 70% of corporate company owners & CEOs are Atheist, agnostic, or just very "weak christians".

And it doesn't matter what they prefer, it matters what gives them their paycheck.

Sidenote:

The average Agnostic/Atheist scored roughly 30% higher then the average christian on SAT and ACTs.

Any idea where I can get a link for this study? I would love to show it to a few people.

I haven't heard that one before, and I'd have to point out that you can't use percentages like that on binomially distributed data, but I do know that Christians have a higher divorce rate than atheists in the US.

So yea, the more Controversial Parts that attack religion will most likely be either cut or adapted.

It's weird though... any Christian who suddenly starts ranting about His Dark Materials now is basically saying, 'I'm too fucking stupid to read books, but now it's been converted to a format I can understand I hate it'.

Originally Posted by Xei

It's weird though... any Christian who suddenly starts ranting about His Dark Materials now is basically saying, 'I'm too fucking stupid to read books, but now it's been converted to a format I can understand I hate it'.

Wow... I never thought of it that way - there's really no reason for the ideas conveyed to be more offensive in a movie vs. the book. Except, of course, that they don't read the books.

If they keep the 'controversial', religion-attacking theme (which I hope they do, it would feel like selling-out otherwise), then the film might reach a larger audience. All them Bible-Belt American evangelists who don't read books.

Or something.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

If they keep the 'controversial', religion-attacking theme (which I hope they do, it would feel like selling-out otherwise), then the film might reach a larger audience. All them Bible-Belt American evangelists who don't read books.

Or something.

lol, "Bible-Belt"!

Here is an page about the Xian opposition:
http://www.plastic.com/comments.html...1372509;cid=84

Well, since the movie isn't out yet; I haven't seen it, but I can't imagine how Armored talking bears battling each other could have much to do with religion one way or the other.

A friend told me to read His Dark Materials a while ago, and I love them. I couldn't stop reading them. I would also be disappointed if they leave out the anti-religion parts. Though I think it's not so much anti-religious, but about the power the church has. The thing is, this is exactly what the book shows. The church has too much power and is able to censor things that they don't want people to hear. It's amazing how what is happening is what the book was about.

I think the makers of the movie are saying that they are trying to focus the movie on Lyra's story, not the Magisterium, which is sad because though Lyra is the protagonist, the Magisterium is the antagonist, and you can't leave it out.

I understand how some of you are saying that Christians get attacked, but that is not the same as censorship. I don't think Atheists have, or have tried to get a religious theme barred from a movie or anything else. But this is what they are doing with our beliefs because it isn't the same as theirs. It's horrible and should never happen.

The book is such a perfect example of how religion can , and is used to control people.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Well, since the movie isn't out yet; I haven't seen it, but I can't imagine how Armored talking bears battling each other could have much to do with religion one way or the other.

...you clearly haven't read the books either.

I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You've seen a few seconds of footage and decided that gave you the authority to pass judgement.

In short:

EPIC FAIL

Apparently the final scenes have been moved to The Subtle Knife.

Huge dissapointment for me. Firstly I was really looking forwards to Asriel and the bridge in the sky in this movie, and secondly I always thought it would be awesome if the second movie just started with a cold open in a supermarket, just to totally throw the people who had only seen the first movie...

Oh well.

Yeah, they don't have the rights to the other books, so they're making it so that the first film could be stand-alone, ie, not end on a whole new adventure before them.

Hopefully it'll do well enough for them to attain the rights to the next two, though.

Originally Posted by Silvanus350

Uh, what? Heck man, when was the last time you seriously looked? Christianity, as the majority religion in America, gets shit every day.

Originally Posted by wasup

ahhhh! its a Christian PAC-MAN trying to eat everyone else!!

Originally Posted by yay

ahhhh! its a Christian PAC-MAN trying to eat everyone else!!

Narnia? Christian?

What part? The battle? The witch?

I don't see it...



Moral of the story:
Chill out, it's a MOVIE... I probably won't even notice the atheism. Even though I'm an atheist.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

Narnia? Christian?

What part? The battle? The witch?

I don't see it...



Moral of the story:
Chill out, it's a MOVIE... I probably won't even notice the atheism. Even though I'm an atheist.

Gah. No-one's in a fuss about it, stop telling us to chill out.

Aslan dies, comes back to life...no?
That's the most very obvious, but there are numerous other elements of Christian symbology. The very fact that you've reduced the Chronicles of Narnia into battle/witch suggests that you've:
1. Only seen the film
2. Have no idea of symbology/religion
3. Were in a coma throughout watching said film

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

Gah. No-one's in a fuss about it, stop telling us to chill out.

Aslan dies, comes back to life...no?
That's the most very obvious, but there are numerous other elements of Christian symbology. The very fact that you've reduced the Chronicles of Narnia into battle/witch suggests that you've:
1. Only seen the film
2. Have no idea of symbology/religion
3. Were in a coma throughout watching said film

Darn... What's that called... Hotheaded, I think...

You forgot the 4th option: I've seen the film 2 years ago and don't remember squat. Also, I didn't see any connections then. I go to the movies to get entertained. Not Christian Symbol-spotting.

Also... most of my smaller posts are to be read with an extremely sarcastic tone... I wasn't being very serious, really. To be honest, I just don't care about religion... Let alone symbols...

Sorry when I've offended you, but still, man... Relax

NEVER!





...meh.

Seriously though, if you don't remember the books/film, why didn't you just refresh your memory (a la wikipedia, obv) and then make an informed comment? Just wondered.

Originally Posted by CryoDragoon

Darn... What's that called... Hotheaded, I think...

You forgot the 4th option: I've seen the film 2 years ago and don't remember squat. Also, I didn't see any connections then. I go to the movies to get entertained. Not Christian Symbol-spotting.

Also... most of my smaller posts are to be read with an extremely sarcastic tone... I wasn't being very serious, really. To be honest, I just don't care about religion... Let alone symbols...

Sorry when I've offended you, but still, man... Relax

I have all of the books. Just read the first, there's symbolism enough.

1. Whatever Planted in Narnia will grow a tree of it. (Reap what thou Sow)
2. Aslan Sung Narnia into Existence. (God created the universe by speaking)
3. Some animals were chosen to be more intelligent than others in Aslan's own image. (I think you can figure that one out )
4. The boy had to go find the "Tree of Life", and take the fruit to heal his mother.
5. The witch tried to get the boy to eat the fruit

The list goes on...

Yeah, yeah, You've won already...

Oh man...I never thought I'd be the example of 'look before you leap' again...

Oh well... Lesson learnt.

End of argument...


Cheers and I wish thee well, and PEEEEEEEAAAAAAACEEEEE!!!!!

~CD

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I have all of the books. Just read the first, there's symbolism enough.

1. Whatever Planted in Narnia will grow a tree of it. (Reap what thou Sow)
2. Aslan Sung Narnia into Existence. (God created the universe by speaking)
3. Some animals were chosen to be more intelligent than others in Aslan's own image. (I think you can figure that one out )
4. The boy had to go find the "Tree of Life", and take the fruit to heal his mother.
5. The witch tried to get the boy to eat the fruit

The list goes on...

You know, that seems an awful lot like some Bible book or somethi...oh wait.

Cheers, Seismo.

Actually I can't wait to see this movie and see what all the hype is about.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Actually I can't wait to see this movie and see what all the hype is about.

I am going to go see it also. I might read the books too.