Thread: This is year 2514, not 2007

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Actually, we could kill leap years by adding a month to our calendar.

The point is to change all the factor to numbers like 1, 10 100 and so on.
This way, it is easier to calculate with, although it might be confusing. I don't need it myself, and it was more like a joke on the entire thread, about changing such a major thing.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I don't need it myself, and it was more like a joke on the entire thread, about changing such a major thing.

So if a thing is too big you don't change it, because it's big, right? (even if it's wrong?). Humm - a world in which only small things can be changed. Is that really the kind of world you want?

I have no problem with such a world. We have some great laws in Denmark, that require a lot of work to change, and we have it like that for a reason. If the core laws were changed all the time, the country would fuck up. That's why we don't change the way we count years either.
If the western world argues, that we should change the "start of time" to 507 "BC", then some other group of people would argue some other time. If we eventually manage to change it, maybe in 100 years, we'll find another signifiant date, and change to that instead. It will become stupid and useless. I have no idea why you want this, it will only cause problems. It's pointless anyway, democracy is but a human creation, just like Jesus is.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I have no problem with such a world.

You REALLY want to live in a world where nothing important ever changes?? Wow, I thought only my Grandmother (may she rest in peace) thought like that. She'd be really happy to hear you!

That's why we don't change the way we count years either.

Er, actually we DID change the way we count. It used to be like this: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (or is it IIX?), IX, X. Weird, huh? (I guess the Romans never made it up as far as Denmark, right?). Also, for a long time there was no 0 (zero). Do some anthropology and you'll find that some jungle tribes even today don't have a numbers much beyond 2 (two).

Lucky you were not in charge of the Number Police when someone suggested we should change and use 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc...

Also lucky you weren't in charge of the Ministry of Maps when someone at last pointed out that the world was in fact not flat and that there was a very big piece of land where the previous end of the world was thought to have been... (Must have been a lot of work though, correcting all those dusty old scrolls).

I have no idea why you want this, it will only cause problems.

Humm, maybe we should have kept the old flat-world maps after all then. (I like the image of a cliff of water falling off a flat world into empty space (but then again... the US and Canada (and a few others) would probably prefer to be part of today's world maps, don't you think?)).

It's pointless anyway, democracy is but a human creation, just like Jesus is.

Denmark is also a human creation. Does that mean it's pointless?

Originally Posted by three and four

You REALLY want to live in a world where nothing important ever changes?? Wow, I thought only my Grandmother (may she rest in peace) thought like that. She'd be really happy to hear you!

That's not what I said, and you know. You're just taking my sentences out of context, to anoy me, and you know it.
I said that changing something, that is so big, but really doesn't mean anything. 2007 and 2514 are merely human-made numbers, that we made as milestones. They have no actual purpose, except for an easy way, to date the years passing.
If you read my post again, you'll see that I wouldn't want something huge and important, like core/ground laws to be changed. They're essential, and have no "stupidity" in them. I read through the danish groundlaw, and it has no flaws, except for the entire "king/queen" part. It is not a problem, though it is kinda weird, in a modern society like this.

Originally Posted by three and four

Er, actually we DID change the way we count. It used to be like this: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (or is it IIX?), IX, X. Weird, huh? (I guess the Romans never made it up as far as Denmark, right?). Also, for a long time there was no 0 (zero). Do some anthropology and you'll find that some jungle tribes even today don't have a numbers much beyond 2 (two).

Lucky you were not in charge of the Number Police when someone suggested we should change and use 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc...

As you and me both know, I'm not talking about the way we count, but the time we're counting from, ie. birth of democracy and Jesus.
You're just nitpicking, because you can't counter my arguments, which you so far have proven me right in.

Originally Posted by three and four

Also lucky you weren't in charge of the Ministry of Maps when someone at last pointed out that the world was in fact not flat and that there was a very big piece of land where the previous end of the world was thought to have been... (Must have been a lot of work though, correcting all those dusty old scrolls).
Humm, maybe we should have kept the old flat-world maps after all then. (I like the image of a cliff of water falling off a flat world into empty space (but then again... the US and Canada (and a few others) would probably prefer to be part of today's world maps, don't you think?)).

We can scientifically prove, that the earth is round, and it plays a big role, whether it is round, and whether the entire world considers it round. The date, from which we count years, is, however, not.

Originally Posted by three and four

Denmark is also a human creation. Does that mean it's pointless?

If you read what I wrote, you might notice I said, that to change something as big and complicated as the year count, because of a human creation is pointless. Not at any time, did I say the birth of democracy/Jesus was pointless.

Marvo is merely pointing out the arbitrary labelling of events and variables in the universe by humans. Then the following obscure attached emotional connotations with these labels.

The fact is that humans invented the scaling of time. Some philosophers would argue that time would not even exist if it were not for conscious beings to facilitate it. Thus, there should be no mistakenly added worry or concern over dates as it is an example and testament to the human tendency to attach sentimentality, via gestalt psychology, to human developed concepts.
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You know you could just use one of the many other existing alternatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_calendars