Thread: On the nature of Reality and Intelligence

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What evidence do you have that a tree or a chair or a rock or the planet is not conscious?

What evidence do you have that they are not having pornographic thoughts about pigs?

Well, I can't say I know the difference between energy and a conscious energy, but it wouldn't make any logical sense for a tree or chair to have an eternal conscious thought. Perhaps inanimate objects are incapable of sustaining three dimensional conscious energy, versus humans/dogs/etc are capable of this conscious energy in a biological being that can record thoughts and experiences to progress. One of the purposes of life is to progress and continuously change, not be static. How could a chair evolve? Energy always changes, but a chair would just be a chair 100 years from now, just decayed. It isn't developing an understanding of life or anything because it has no way, for one, to record or understand in the first place.

Well, you used the chair example so I'd rather the topic didn't stray towards the ridiculous; people tend to latch on to anything and soon someone will be in here accusing me of claiming there is a conspiracy involving super intelligent furniture. I will say however that no matter whether you recognize a change in something or not; nothing is ever the same. Change constantly happens, and as far as I can see this effects every single thing in the universe. Even still, I don't claim to know the purpose of life, so if you are privy to that sort of information, then you are a better man than I. I see no basis for the assumption that change is one of the purposes of life, or that all life has any underlying purpose for that matter.

Also, this conscious energy that you speak of sounds baseless to me. You speak of it as if it is some common fact of life but I see no evidence or sign of it, unless you are calling something else by a completely different name. If you could explain yourself further, perhaps I could understand better.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What evidence do you have that they are not having pornographic thoughts about pigs?

None. Relevance?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

None. Relevance?

You are talking about something completely unprovable yet profoundly far fetched.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You are talking about something completely unprovable yet profoundly far fetched.

It may be far fetched in your opinion, but I don't think it is. As far as being unprovable, that is why its in the religion and spirituality forum. Everything in this forum is currently unprovable. Do you have anything that is actually pertinent to the discussion?

Originally Posted by wannywan

The only religions that intelligence in astronomical bodies would affect are ones that see the planet earth itself as a deity, or maybe a deity that the planet earth believes in.

thats not true

by saying only people who see the earth alive would call it a deity, all this does is spread the fear among christians to not even consider it into their spiritual beliefs

the spiritual belief in christianity is supported in the bible but no longer taught or discussed in churches - its a simple core and important spiritual belief that makes christian spirituality different from any deity religion. the belief is simply - God is spirit/consciousness - and this consciousness is present in all that is created by God

this is going on various things that God is omnipresent, beginning and end, without end, alpha and omega, and when you look at those it means that God encompasses all that exists. that which is made is made through God, meaning if it exists - God will be apart of it. again being coupled that God is spirit, spirit is consciousness. again being coupled with other bible phrases of the rocks crying out to God. and a very important phrase that what you do onto her you do onto me, meaning if you hurt someone you hurt God, if you do good to someone you do good to God because God is within them

what does all of this have to do with earth? simply that the earth too has the consciousness of God within her, or she too could not exist. Earth being a living spiritual organism, does not go against christianity. This doesn't mean you worship her or even think of her as a mother, but it should give a christian more reason to respect earth as one of Gods creations. God being present in both the earth and sun is another reason why the bible claims, everyone worships God

how can everyone worship God? all you have to do is love something God created, nature, oceans, dogs, kitties, and there you have it. And there you have it, you gave love to a small bit of God and thats worship. To not worship God you must hate.

though before, in this spiritual scenario, someone makes silly comments about poop and toilet bowls having Gods consciousness, I want to also comment that the east has answers the west lacks - namely the reality of illusions. God is only within what is real, reality, what is made. God is NOT within unreality or illusions that the east teaches us about



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this understanding that God is within beings thus making them apart of God is vital to understanding both Christ, Christs mission, Christs role, and the most misunderstood bible verses of all - namely the opening of the bible. Why would God speak in plural in genesis if there is only one God? In 'our' image? Genesis makes a lot more sense when you understand it was multiple creators who are one with the one God. This can explain the not so godly behaviors of God in the OT if they were not the highest aspect of God.

This can also explains Jesus need to call God, Father. Why not just God? Or Creator? Why make so much effort to distinguish God as the Father? Jesus was bringing us much closer to a higher source of the one God than the multiple Creators presented in Genesis.


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have I lost you yet? here in my little bubble you have God. God is constantly becoming more, and one way to do this is to create more of yourself. This is what God does and it is such a divine act, the entire universe reflects it. For one, the universe is always expanding. Two, life forms have the drive to reproduce. Mankind has the drive to expand, grow and improve. The list just goes on, evolution on so many levels. And any of Gods creations that do not become 'more' are against the most divine act. Thus you have cursed the holy spirit, or the drive to become more. Thus a closed system can not sustain itself.

the less of this God consciousness you have, the less aware you are of your divine source, coupled with free will and you can create the unreality or illusion that God is not real, or you are separated from God.

materialism is the ultimate anti-God. It is a religion/science obsessed with disproving that spirit does not exist. why? Because God is spirit, and evidence of God is found in spirit. it can't afford for science to try to define what spirit is in terms of science, such as a specific vibration of energy. it can't afford for science to say its perfectly possible for a 4 dimensional being to be unaware of a 5th dimensional being - because it sounds too much like a ghostit can't afford to say that higher dimensions of higher energies can overlap the lesser dimensions - because that opens the door for a multi-layered being, such as a being with a body and soul

im not worried about science at all, science is just a means to find the truth. the problem is human beings are looking at science and defining objects, and creating definitions that don't necessarily reflect the truth

. . . Wow. You just nailed this topic. Very well said, my friend.