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      Quote Originally Posted by SilverZero View Post
      Still, He loved enough to create those who wouldn't love Him back.
      So he loved us enough to create us and then condemn us to eternal turture. Sorry but that makes god look like some mental patient. Surely non-existance is better then eternal turture. Unless I'm not "thinking from gods perspective" and seeing it completely wrong, maby eternal torture is just what I needed... (Even thought that's impossible, because I never existed)
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      Quote Originally Posted by wannywan View Post
      What you don't understand is that you're misinterpreting the will of Allah as the will of the false god YHWH.

      Repent now.
      Exactly. Praise Allah, the true god. We have the REAL magic book, it's better than Their magic book. Our guy-in-the-sky is so far more true, because it says so in the Qu'ran. It's perfect, scientific proof. Right.
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      Exactly. Praise Allah, the true god. We have the REAL magic book, it's better than Their magic book. Our guy-in-the-sky is so far more true, because it says so in the Qu'ran. It's perfect, scientific proof. Right.
      I've actually discovered the truth just there now, the true deity is...


      ZEUS!

      How could I have been blind for so long?
      NO

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      Quote Originally Posted by wannywan View Post
      I've actually discovered the truth just there now, the true deity is...


      ZEUS!

      How could I have been blind for so long?
      Because when Pandora opened her box and let out evil, the evil spirits tried to fool you! They don't want you to be happy. Thankfully you've found Zues and he will bless you, and not have to smite you with his mighty thunder bolt.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Because when Pandora opened her box and let out evil, the evil spirits tried to fool you! They don't want you to be happy. Thankfully you've found Zues and he will bless you, and not have to smite you with his mighty thunder bolt.
      You are almost right, you have almost found the ONLY TRUE RELIGION!

      It are evil souls that mislead us, but not Pandora's! But ALIEN souls! The evil lord Xenu has trapped all those alien souls on earth, and they haunt us till this day. Scientology is the truth!!!!
      “What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume

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      Quote Originally Posted by Neruo View Post
      You are almost right, you have almost found the ONLY TRUE RELIGION!

      It are evil souls that mislead us, but not Pandora's! But ALIEN souls! The evil lord Xenu has trapped all those alien souls on earth, and they haunt us till this day. Scientology is the truth!!!!
      Ah Neruo thank you for showing me the WAY, how could I have been so blind? Of course, dear Zeus!, oops I mean, L. Ron Hubbard, I can't believe how misguided I was.

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      Just felt like saying, although perhaps a little late:

      I'm not afraid for myself, or for everybody else because I trust in God's love.

      God, or however you call him/her/it/them, or whatever he is, is -unconditionally- loving. Hes there for everybody, for we're all 'children' of God. Hes above being worshipped, and he does not want to imbue us with fear.

      Hell is simply a state of being where you, yourself, fill yourself with hatred, anger and mistrust. You can throw yourself in there and get yourself out of it.

      Eternal suffering sounds silly, as is eternal damnation. God is wisdom, he knows that we couldnt possibly know the absolute truth and that there is nothing to even -forgive- us for.

      I'm not an atheist, but stuff like this makes me sad regardlessly. Religion and spirituality should be about love and trust. Always. It should always be something positive. There should be no judgement but our own. If one wishes to believe in something, as long as it doesnt involve hurting others, they have the right to do so without being judged. No religion is better than the other one. Its about making your life, and the life of others, happier and richer.

      Thats all =P
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucius View Post
      Just felt like saying, although perhaps a little late:

      I'm not afraid for myself, or for everybody else because I trust in God's love.

      God, or however you call him/her/it/them, or whatever he is, is -unconditionally- loving. Hes there for everybody, for we're all 'children' of God. Hes above being worshipped, and he does not want to imbue us with fear.

      Hell is simply a state of being where you, yourself, fill yourself with hatred, anger and mistrust. You can throw yourself in there and get yourself out of it.

      Eternal suffering sounds silly, as is eternal damnation. God is wisdom, he knows that we couldnt possibly know the absolute truth and that there is nothing to even -forgive- us for.

      I'm not an atheist, but stuff like this makes me sad regardlessly. Religion and spirituality should be about love and trust. Always. It should always be something positive. There should be no judgement but our own. If one wishes to believe in something, as long as it doesnt involve hurting others, they have the right to do so without being judged. No religion is better than the other one. Its about making your life, and the life of others, happier and richer.

      Thats all =P
      I appreciate your sentiment, its just that all religions are hurting the people of the world...even besides the fact it keeps us from unification under like minded beneficial idea.

      Well i'm afraid religion is hurting people (athiests too), all over the world.
      An example of how athiesm is getting hurt, although it is by no means the extent of damage, is that athiest aren't allowed to hold public office in up to seven states (that among them Texas, the state I reside in)
      If you are an athiest boy you can't be a member of the boy scouts...I actually was a boy scout, but I never talked about my religion, I eventualy stopped, because my parents didn't have time to take me to meetings anymore, besides, im disqualified from boy scouts anyway, reguardless of the fact i'm atheist.
      Hell, we can't even TESTIFY in court in certain states...I suppose that is about the fact that the oath to the bible would be a pointless endeavor on the court systems part to keep us from lieing.

      AND THE BIGGEST reason religion is hurting us is this little tid-bit from George Bush sr.

      "no I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots, this is one nation under God."

      Religious people piss me off when they make statements like that. What right do you have to judge me? I don't judge you...and i'm sure religious people would "say" they don't judge me, but that just isn't true, they've created a God who can "judge" me for them, so they can say when people are the way they don't like, instead of saying, fuckin "<insert word>" they can say, you'll stand before god on judgment day.

      and before you say something like "you do too judge me", i'm going to stop you right there, judging a person is not the same as making an observation, I have never had the thought, belief, or notion that anyone should ever be denied rights, or harmed in anyway simple because of their beliefs, most religions on the otherhand would have me sent to hell for all eternity, reguardless of the fact that I only want whatever is best for mankind.

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      Sand,

      You're right, I'm sorry. I didnt mean to paint religion as something bright and pretty, because yes, quite often, it isn't. Religion does hurt people, -quite- a lot. And it does bother me, I just dont always express it. When people are denied their rights to express themselves religiously, sexually or any way else (again as long as it doesnt involve man-slaughter and the such) this is a bad thing that saddens me greatly and I know it saddens 'God'. However, I dont believe God is a person that performs miracles. Hes not perfect, he can't change the world, only we can, in theory (practically its nearly impossible)

      I guess what I was trying to say is that religion -should- be, as it probably was intended by figures such as Jezus (the person, whether he was send by god or not), a tool to spread love, kindness, joy and compassion. Of course, its not that for many people anymore but I know that there are plenty of people out there, christian and otherwise, that still believe in this. And yes, you can easily spread love and kindness without religion.

      So yes, if you are you just doing your best, thats all you can do. I know you'll never be judged for that in the eyes of any God. None of us will. If people say otherwise, thats their choice, not God's.
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      I agree totally. Religion should be spread the love =-)

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      I know I am late to your discussion but I just want to say....

      Hellfire is unscriptural, I can show you LOTS of proof.

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      I read this book, complete rubbish.

      And yes, hellfire doesn't exist.

      I do believe in hell, just very very differently than what this book portrays, and I base my opinion scripturally.

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