Thread: A Divine Revelation Of Hell....

interesting, you say NEED Jesus..

In a hypothetical, if somehow Jesus was proven to be false, all of Christianity was somehow proven to be false, what would you do?

It seems to be you NEED to believe in something higher to cope with your existence. I admit existence isn't always great but i accept it, i don't NEED to believe in some greater place, not to commit suicide in this one.

So if right now all religions are proven false what would you do? I have asked some Christian friends, honestly they said they would curl up and die or take their own life because they couldn't cope with this being it and they fear death too much, what about you?

Originally Posted by joey11223

interesting, you say NEED Jesus..

In a hypothetical, if somehow Jesus was proven to be false, all of Christianity was somehow proven to be false, what would you do?

That's the problem with hypotheticals.

Hey, hypothetically, if you found out you were actually a box jellyfish, what would you do? Seriously, think about it.

People have been trying to prove Jesus false for 2000 years, and nobody has succeeded yet. In fact, lots of people have become Christians through the process. Sorry if I'm straying off-topic.

Originally Posted by SilverZero

People have been trying to prove Jesus false for 2000 years, and nobody has succeeded yet. In fact, lots of people have become Christians through the process. Sorry if I'm straying off-topic.

If you can't disprove him, can you prove him? Try it, maby you'll become atheist in the process.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

If you can't disprove him, can you prove him? Try it, maby you'll become atheist in the process.

Yes, but it's been done. Read the works of Josephus.

Originally Posted by SilverZero

Yes, but it's been done. Read the works of Josephus.

Well if you call words like that proof, then why don't you read the internets. There are many many words which are also supported by logic (if you have it) devoted to showing all the jesuses like horus, mithra, dyonisius,.. before jesus himself. Oh yeah, but it has been also proven that the devil put those there, oh bummer. If I don't hold the bible as proof, I won't hold some Josephus' texts either.

Originally Posted by SilverZero

That's the problem with hypotheticals.

Hey, hypothetically, if you found out you were actually a box jellyfish, what would you do? Seriously, think about it.

Poor example, how exactly would that work at all? That really does make no sense. So i am actually a box jellyfish dreaming, or what? I really don't understand that one, maybe a different one??

When not asked to debate I try to only provide iformation or ask for information myself.

I just want to show you how people who are not christian feel about you, by showing you how we percieve you, through how you percieve others.

Please fastforward 50 seconds or so, and then stop about 5 minutes and 20ish seconds if you do not wish to be offended by statements of how your religion is false. If you want the fully intended purpose then listen to the whole thing however.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ

wow, fast moving thread.

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

it saddened me to see so many souls lost and confused..i'll pray for all who need Jesus..amen

, please dont worry about us, if anything it should be us worrying about you . If im to admit the truth, i feel sorry for you, and i dont mean this in a sarcastic way.. Honestly you're the one who is lost, and for a human to waste their life worrying like you do.. well its just a shame, I wish you all the best.

I feel, and so does wolf, that we don't waste our life worrying but that yes, we do put in a little extra time worrying for all of you guys.

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

I feel, and so does wolf, that we don't waste our life worrying but that yes, we do put in a little extra time worrying for all of you guys.

What really puzzles me about religious people is their seeming inability to recognize the correlation between their religion and the obsolete ones of the past.

Don't you see that there were people who believed in Norse mythology, Greek mythology, Thor, Freya, and Odin just as much as you believe in your God? And yet you consider these religions laughable, children's stories about giant men with magic hammers who would come to save the ancients from a bump in the night.

Your religion is the latest in a long line. I'm not saying it isn't correct, I'm just asking how you can ignore such parallels - there really does seem to exist 'bubbles of delusion', as Sandform's video suggests.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Please fastforward 50 seconds or so, and then stop about 5 minutes and 20ish seconds if you do not wish to be offended by statements of how your religion is false. If you want the fully intended purpose then listen to the whole thing however.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ

That is a really good illustration of how religion works.

I believe in a very different hell than the other Christians on this thread. I really think it's horrible to tell someone that they'll be sent to hell simply for not believing in christianity. What about those who never heard about Jesus, hell, or any of it? Would God really condem them?

On anouther note, as ExoByte said earlier, there's no debate as to wether Jesus of Nazareth existed, it's wether he was the son of God that's the question.

I'm sorry. This might be a little off-topic the off-topic discussion. But why recomend this book? It seems to me to be trying to scare people into believing. I don't really like that idea...

Originally Posted by Crumbs

I'm sorry. This might be a little off-topic the off-topic discussion. But why recomend this book? It seems to me to be trying to scare people into believing. I don't really like that idea...

I think the book suggestion was more for Christians and believers rather than trying to convert anyone because thats pretty much futile on this forum.

And I read in that 23 minutes book I mentioned before a thing I'd like to add. It said that Christians are just trying to warn people about hell like they would warn you if you were in a hotel that is on fire. It may inconvenience you now but in the long term it will save you. Don't flame me, those comments aren't mine and I know there are some flaws in the logic.

why does God make all the evidence point to us that he does not exist-And then punish us if we believe what is so obvious?


That's just stupid.


go find something else to put meaning in your life, cus "god" is getting old.

Joeys 48hr sleepover which turned into roughly an 80hr sleepover is over! I have some soda left!!

I wonder if many Christians know how the bible was created and at wich century! Do you know the roots of your religion?

Also the Nag Hammadi scriptures shine an interesting light on the bible in my personal opinion.

If you dont know then google it, that info is all around the net.

I personally dont believe in a hell or heaven as the bible tells us...imagine your kids going to hell then and you go to heaven, is your heaven then still a heaven for you? Could it? Unless god would erase your memory that you have kids in hell.

Fuck it. It's all abuot ME!!!!!

If the Christian God is an all powerful and loving creator, then why did he create Satan? Hell just doesn't make any sense, you simply have to think about your dumb religion for half a second. Your God can't make mistakes, he isn't human. He's supposed to be perfect. By preaching about hell, you are effectively blaspheming your pure ideal of God, without exception.

What you need to realise is that your religion, along with Islam is one of the only two evangelising religions in the world. Your religion is among a tiny minority which believes that it is necessary to convert others. This is the only reason Christianity is so widespread.

Hell and heaven are clearly the epitomes of a stick and a carrot, the two purest tools one can use to motivate others... it's just so damn obvious.

Originally Posted by Xei

If the Christian God is an all powerful and loving creator, then why did he create Satan? Hell just doesn't make any sense, you simply have to think about your dumb religion for half a second. Your God can't make mistakes, he isn't human. He's supposed to be perfect. By preaching about hell, you are effectively blaspheming your pure ideal of God, without exception.

You simply don't understand who God is to make this argument.

God created the angels with the same free will He created humans. The angels, though, were created in His presence, knowing Him on a much higher level. Satan (Lucifer) was God's Number-One angel, the leader of the music in Heaven. For him to rebel, even when he knew God better than all other created beings, made him the primary embodiment of rebellion.

The other aspect of this is that you don't understand how God created all of us with the will to choose Him or to choose to reject Him. His hope is that we would all embrace Him, but He knew all along that some would reject Him. Still, He loved enough to create those who wouldn't love Him back.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

why does God make all the evidence point to us that he does not exist-And then punish us if we believe what is so obvious?

That is the question that needs to be asked.