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      i have to say one thing on this post and i most likely wont even check to see what people say but if jesus is real and doesnt give you forgiveness after you die, he is the worst of all of us

      even after getting tortured you would like you said ask for forgiveness, jesus would not be like no

      He would make you prove you love him not shut you away

      wht happens when you have a bad person but just is to illiterate to realize jesus while he is alive and just dies all of a sudden?

      god will not just b like no he would make him prove it
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      There is no Hell. It's a bad joke told to scare people.
      But if a place where sinners are eternally tortured exist than God isn't worth spitting on. But thank God, such a place does not exist.
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      it saddened me to see so many souls lost and confused..i'll pray for all who need Jesus..amen
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      interesting, you say NEED Jesus..

      In a hypothetical, if somehow Jesus was proven to be false, all of Christianity was somehow proven to be false, what would you do?

      It seems to be you NEED to believe in something higher to cope with your existence. I admit existence isn't always great but i accept it, i don't NEED to believe in some greater place, not to commit suicide in this one.

      So if right now all religions are proven false what would you do? I have asked some Christian friends, honestly they said they would curl up and die or take their own life because they couldn't cope with this being it and they fear death too much, what about you?
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      Quote Originally Posted by joey11223 View Post
      interesting, you say NEED Jesus..

      In a hypothetical, if somehow Jesus was proven to be false, all of Christianity was somehow proven to be false, what would you do?
      That's the problem with hypotheticals.

      Hey, hypothetically, if you found out you were actually a box jellyfish, what would you do? Seriously, think about it.

      People have been trying to prove Jesus false for 2000 years, and nobody has succeeded yet. In fact, lots of people have become Christians through the process. Sorry if I'm straying off-topic.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SilverZero View Post
      People have been trying to prove Jesus false for 2000 years, and nobody has succeeded yet. In fact, lots of people have become Christians through the process. Sorry if I'm straying off-topic.
      If you can't disprove him, can you prove him? Try it, maby you'll become atheist in the process.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bonsay View Post
      If you can't disprove him, can you prove him? Try it, maby you'll become atheist in the process.
      Yes, but it's been done. Read the works of Josephus.
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      Quote Originally Posted by SilverZero View Post
      That's the problem with hypotheticals.

      Hey, hypothetically, if you found out you were actually a box jellyfish, what would you do? Seriously, think about it.
      Poor example, how exactly would that work at all? That really does make no sense. So i am actually a box jellyfish dreaming, or what? I really don't understand that one, maybe a different one??
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      When not asked to debate I try to only provide iformation or ask for information myself.

      I just want to show you how people who are not christian feel about you, by showing you how we percieve you, through how you percieve others.

      Please fastforward 50 seconds or so, and then stop about 5 minutes and 20ish seconds if you do not wish to be offended by statements of how your religion is false. If you want the fully intended purpose then listen to the whole thing however.
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      why does God make all the evidence point to us that he does not exist-And then punish us if we believe what is so obvious?


      That's just stupid.


      go find something else to put meaning in your life, cus "god" is getting old.

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      Joeys 48hr sleepover which turned into roughly an 80hr sleepover is over! I have some soda left!!
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      I wonder if many Christians know how the bible was created and at wich century! Do you know the roots of your religion?

      Also the Nag Hammadi scriptures shine an interesting light on the bible in my personal opinion.

      If you dont know then google it, that info is all around the net.

      I personally dont believe in a hell or heaven as the bible tells us...imagine your kids going to hell then and you go to heaven, is your heaven then still a heaven for you? Could it? Unless god would erase your memory that you have kids in hell.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Carôusoul View Post
      why does God make all the evidence point to us that he does not exist-And then punish us if we believe what is so obvious?
      That is the question that needs to be asked.
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      Quote Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf View Post
      it saddened me to see so many souls lost and confused..i'll pray for all who need Jesus..amen
      What is sad is that a few totally misguided mideval prists ( totally misguided as in crusaders, and inquisitioners ) invented the completely unchristian concept of Hell as a place of eternal torture, and that to this day people follow these twisted notion as if it is part of Jesus's message.
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      Oops sorry I may have been a bit harsh in my comments :p
      It's just that I'm sure this Hell thing is a misinterpretation of Jesus's message. And I am sure that if God exists and Jesus was his Messiah, then they will agree with me in saying that no one will be tormented eternally for committing sins.
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