Thread: *for christians only* It's time to regroup guys those atheists are killing us.

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Note: I have the right to post here Lucid Boy, because you posted in the atheist chat, twice. So I have another post allowed.

*sigh* wendy wendy wendy... this is a THEISTS chat your that plus an A at the begining... you can't be here

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

I just wanted to see who all the theists or at least non-atheists are.

But what about the non-non-atheists?

You don't get past scientific data.

Attack their character, that's more fun.

Attack their character, that's more fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Yeah since using logic and evidence is out of the question. Wait have you even got logic or evidence, sorry the atheist have that.

To really hurt atheist you would need counter evidence, which you haven't got. So their pretty much nothing you can do except saying the other person doesn't have faith.

Well this thread just goes to show that Seismosaur's claim that atheists would respect theists who wanted a thread to themselves was complete hogwash.

Lucid_Boy, I know you're new and everything, but you should've known you were starting something when you put up the words *For Christians only*. Plus,this isn't a war. Athiest have a right to think what they want to think, and so do we. Also, in my opinion, we have no right to push our beliefs on them. It makes everyone mad.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Lucid_Boy, I know you're new and everything, but you should've known you ere starting something when you put up the words *For Christians only*. Plus,this isn't a war. Athiest have a right to think what they want to think, and so do we. Also, in my opinion, we have no right to push our beliefs on them. It makes everyone mad.

Right. It's civilized debate. At least until people like wendylove come around and start slinging insults and side-tracking serious conversation.

just cos Wendy is a tad aggressive doesn't mean Seis was wrong, he can't control everyone and Wendy is the only one that was attacked you so far and the only Atheist to post i think.

Well i have now..... sowwy

*brings in drinks and snacks for his theist buddies and then goes upstairs while they hang out in his living room*

By the way, my first comment in this thread was facetious . . . I hope the subtlety wasn't lost on anybody. Character attacks, personal attacks, and the like, have no place within serious, adult debate.

I dream of a forum where we can all come together as one big group - theist, atheist, agnostic, whatever - and just mass-debate for a while.

I do agree that this ISN'T a war. This is a place to come compare notes with the Atheists and make our faith stronger or at least to learn there opinion on the matter and if the Atheists/agnostics can have there own thread without there being a "war" why can't we/I?

Despite the obvious antagonism some atheists here show and the argumentative nature we have pretty much all shown, some of us atheists honesty want answers. I like to understand every angle of an issue, and debates have a way of bringing them to light. That is often mistaken for bullying or flaming or whatever, but I really am trying to understand the nature of religion, especially Christianity, as well as I can. I don't mean I am trying to memorize the Bible. I am saying that I really want to understand the view from which people believe the concepts of Christianity. I can't do that without getting to the bottom of things. I am so interested in that because I was a Christian for a long time.

Hopefully my status as a former Christian qualifies me for posting in this thread, sort of like how even if you stop working for the mafia, you are part of the family for life.

I find the nature of this thread discriminatory, where do Zorostrians go?
hmm?
Only for christians? What a shame, I though Jesus wanted you to spread the word? Come on, convert me!
By the way, you havent specified anything for agnostics.

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

What are some of the arguments you use and how are we supose to get past all there scientific data?

You realize that the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence and understand that, if god is supernatural, why would he be found in nature?


Im not a theist nor an atheist, im more or less agnostic.

That is best post I have ever seen.

That's what I have been trying to tell people for years, particularly the thick-headed, closed-minded skeptics of assorted things on this forum. Not that I necessarily dislike anyone in particular in the forum, but most of the skeptic type people don't give a shit about what you have to say. Everything you say about anything they don't believe in is automatically bullshit, and there's no point trying to convince them otherwise.

It's a waste of your time, and all that most of them will do is insult you for believing in said things. Technically no one is right, but no one is wrong. We cannot prove there is something out there, but they cannot prove there is not something out there. Therefore, anyone who antagonistically imposes their views on anyone else and proclaims them arrogantly or as fact, can go fuck themselves.

I say the same thing to BOTH sides. Skeptics, believe what you will (or disbelieve) but why do you care if we believe in such things? What's it to you? If you don't believe it fine. Shut up and keep it to yourself. Why shouldn't other people believe in something just because you don't?

And Christians/religious groups should stop condemning people. it's the stupidest shit I've ever encountered. "If you don't accept Jesus as your lord and savior, you're doomed to eternal hell". Yeah fuck you. That's bullshit. The idea of god is that he loves all of his creation and that he's all forgiving. And don't feed me some bullshit, cause I'm Christian, believe it or not. If god is all forgiving and loves everyone, why would he send one of his creations to eternal suffering? He wouldn't. End of story.

Condemning people is idiotic. It makes me want to shoot someone in the face. The bible or whatever religious book you have isn't necessarily meant to be taken literally. It's more than a religion. It's the way you carry yourself. it's a way of life. It's hypocritical to be a Christian and impose your beliefs on people. That in itself counteracts the idea of Christianity.

Basically i don't care what you believe in or don't believe in. Why antagonize people for believing in something you do not? Fucking moronic typical immature behaviour. Sorry, that rant came out of nowhere, didn't it?

I'm all done now.

imran_p god does want me to spread the word. As for the convert me request I am afraid I am no missionary.

Originally Posted by Rainman

That is best post I have ever seen.

That's what I have been trying to tell people for years, particularly the thick-headed, closed-minded skeptics of assorted things on this forum. Not that I necessarily dislike anyone in particular in the forum, but most of the skeptic type people don't give a shit about what you have to say. Everything you say about anything they don't believe in is automatically bullshit, and there's no point trying to convince them otherwise.

It's a waste of your time, and all that most of them will do is insult you for believing in said things. Technically no one is right, but no one is wrong. We cannot prove there is something out there, but they cannot prove there is not something out there. Therefore, anyone who antagonistically imposes their views on anyone else and proclaims them arrogantly or as fact, can go fuck themselves.

I say the same thing to BOTH sides. Skeptics, believe what you will (or disbelieve) but why do you care if we believe in such things? What's it to you? If you don't believe it fine. Shut up and keep it to yourself. Why shouldn't other people believe in something just because you don't?

And Christians/religious groups should stop condemning people. it's the stupidest shit I've ever encountered. "If you don't accept Jesus as your lord and savior, you're doomed to eternal hell". Yeah fuck you. That's bullshit. The idea of god is that he loves all of his creation and that he's all forgiving. And don't feed me some bullshit, cause I'm Christian, believe it or not. If god is all forgiving and loves everyone, why would he send one of his creations to eternal suffering? He wouldn't. End of story.

Condemning people is idiotic. It makes me want to shoot someone in the face. The bible or whatever religious book you have isn't necessarily meant to be taken literally. It's more than a religion. It's the way you carry yourself. it's a way of life. It's hypocritical to be a Christian and impose your beliefs on people. That in itself counteracts the idea of Christianity.

Basically i don't care what you believe in or don't believe in. Why antagonize people for believing in something you do not? Fucking moronic typical immature behaviour. Sorry, that rant came out of nowhere, didn't it?

I'm all done now.

It's hypocritical to say the first half along with the second half... ( I underlined the main part) Also the fact that BOTH sides often condemn the other, don't tell me that atheists don't condemn theists.

I don't see what's wrong with having one thread for the Christians and one for the others. Sure we're encouraged to spread the word but there are other threads where that's possible. We can have a place to talk about our beliefs, hardships, arguments, etc... (atheists do the same thing if you want...)

I also think you missed the part where I said I am a Christian, not athiest. Try reading next time. I worded that underlined sentence oddly. I meant to say that No one is right, but the believers are not wrong, as the non believers cannot prove the non-existence of a god. It's hypocritical for skeptics to demand evidence of something and then not be able to come up with any themselves when we say prove that this DOESN'T exist. Haha. I laugh at that.

<Edit>By the way, hypocrisy doesn't mean to criticize both sides like I did, and was RIGHT to do so, as both sides have flaws. Hypocrisy is to profess one thing and demonstrate or believe the opposite yourself, get a fucking dictionary before you try to use my wording against me.</edit>

For Christians only It's time to regroup guys those atheists are killing us.

I did not even know there was a war.

And I thought it was your own sins that killed you. Not Atheists.

Funny howie...No it's not my sins that killed me, those will just lead me to a life of eternal damnation.

I did not even know there was a war.

And I thought it was your own sins that killed you. Not Atheists.

Who said anything about a war? It's more about the ignorant and idiotic flames, unnecessary insults, and flagrant immaturity that pisses me off. Assholes that make idiotic remarks trying to degrade us for believing in something that you do not. Maybe take a chance and just try out growing up a little, and see how it works for you. You don't see me insulting athiests for not believing in a god. I don't care if you don't believe in god, that's not my business. So what makes it your business to make antagonistic remarks (simultaneously displaying ignorance and immaturity) at me for believing in a god?


Making this thread was an incredibly idiotic idea, especially given the title. You might as well have just said "Start ignorant controversy about Christianity here. Idiots welcome."

Originally Posted by Rainman

Making this thread was an incredibly idiotic idea, especially given the title. You might as well have just said "Start ignorant controversy about Christianity here. Idiots welcome."

rainman

Originally Posted by Rainman

Making this thread was an incredibly idiotic idea, especially given the title. You might as well have just said "Start ignorant controversy about Christianity here. Idiots welcome."

Funny, I assumed it was a parody of the atheists thread. Interesting nobody said the same about that one.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Funny, I assumed it was a parody of the atheists thread. Interesting nobody said the same about that one.

I'm sure people have, and they have the right to. I've noticed a lot of atheists are just as closed minded as a lot of theists.