EVIL Bible

[wendylove]

More Rape and Baby Killing Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) Kill Brats From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB) http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm I can't believe people think the bible is some how moral. Well, you can use alot of quotes in the bible to support rape, murder and slavery. Christian is wrapped, creationist museum springs to my mind. The problem with the bible is you get people going around saying how Jesus was good and that god loves people, however then you get stuff like killing everyone in a giant flood and justifying slavery and rape. One of the creationist museum pieces is off a chinese person using logic and science and saying a dinosaur fossil is really old, and then their is a stupid white person and all he needs is the bible to know it is not old but 6,000 years old. Saying that it not all that bad as in the future a chinese person would proberly be in a hovercar and then you would have a white person standing next to him with a bible, I can't wait intill china over takes america in developement, however I don't know about japan and india.

[Tomdub]

yah the bible has some horrible stuff in it. Including killing people that work on sunday. Go to www.godisimaginary.com it has soem very convincing thing against religion. I found it after I decided I was athiest.

[Snooze]

yay a flamewar *gets popcorn*

[joey11223]

yay a flamewar *gets popcorn* grabs handful, this better be sweet popcorn cos i hate saltes! Also i think in america they can put hot butter on their popcorn or something, sounds weird but you wanna try some? Oh also get some nachos with cheese, something i;ve never tried.:p

[Snooze]

I never had nachoes with cheese either :c oh, yeah about the topic, i was suppose to make an essay about jericho in my religion class and , u know, it wasnt all that pro-religious something like "kill every child woman and man in that city and take all the gold"

[joey11223]

oh hey ive read most of Godisimaginary.com's stuff before, i recommend it to christians. I know some of it is kind of wrong, as in, maybe it was wrongly translated from greek or latin and so some verses shouldnt be used to claim certain things, but generally its a good read. Evilbible however is more a rant site, its not as well organised, but Godisimaginary is pretty good.

[Jeremysr]

There is a lot bad stuff in this world. It's all because of sin. I don't see how that makes the Bible evil, since all it's doing is talking about how this world is evil.

[sourcejedi]

grabs handful, this better be sweet popcorn cos i hate saltes! Also i think in america they can put hot butter on their popcorn or something, sounds weird but you wanna try some? Oh also get some nachos with cheese, something i;ve never tried.:p I had nachos with cheese at bowling once. Not very nice really. Everyone should know that The One True Snack is dry roasted peanuts. Damn, no-ones disagreed with me yet so I can't have a Nacho flamewar. Wheres the fun in that? -- orig. topic, wendylove bashing This has to be one of the better threads from the Christian baiting tradition. Well, one of the more potentially well founded arguments anyway. Heinlein used it so it must be true . I'm not sure how we get from here to Chinese hovercrafts, but there you go. I for one welcome our new Chinese hovercraft wielding overlords. The argument being strongest against people who take their Book as literal truth, or try to derive meaning from individual passages. It's not consistent at that level, and you can't gain much moral wisdom from studying the extracts we've got below. But that doesn't mean there can't be a worthwhile tradition that includes the Book as one part of it. That doesn't even demand that the tradition be unbroken since the origin of the Book. -- thread hijack IOW, if you feel strongly enough about the bible enough that Wendylove is attacking you, and you wish to defend yourself, there must be something other than the bible itself which allows you to distance yourself from the weirder passages. W.r.t racist quotes taken from the Book of Mormon, "27" quoted a huge block from somewhere to make the point that "the Lord works with the people who are available" - meaning that their Book is the product of Gods interaction with fallible people. You've seen "Any mistakes remain the responsibility of the author" as a preface to fiction; humans were the authors of the books that go together to make the Bible, and more importantly the editors who chose which books to include over the years. So, the real question is how can you trust your Book at all, if there's the possibility that humans have completely twisted its original meaning? How do you distinguish between Gods word and annoyed priests telling the youth of today to behave and respect their elders on pain of being torn apart by bears? If the Bible is fallible, then the people who produced it must have been - so you can't rely on your own religious leaders to always do the right thing and to avoid immoral preachings.

[sourcejedi]

There is a lot bad stuff in this world. It's all because of sin. I don't see how that makes the Bible evil, since all it's doing is talking about how this world is evil. The Bible advocates obedience to God, a morally supreme entity. If you find yourself in the situation of being an important Prophet taunted by children, you can invoke the name of the Lord and have them torn to pieces by wild beasts. It's not some strange coincidence recorded as part of an objective history. It's a story with a moral, like all the others: jeering at baldy gets you two rabid she-bears. If that's not a petty, immoral abuse of power, what is? What moral authority does the Bible have to tell us to follow a God who is unrepentant of his own sins?

[Xaqaria]

Are there any parents here? Has anyone told your kid something thats untrue but frightens them in to doing what they should? If you misbehave, Santa Claus is going to give you coal!" Yeah. The second story is kind of like that. The first one is a little less harmless, but honestly those were the ways of the world at the time. You are talking about a time period in which you could go so long without contact from any other group of people, that soon they seemed like other creatures that you wouldn't identify with at all. It was perfectly logical to do these things to a possible enemy of your survival-when "everyone else" is a complete unknown, everyone else becomes a monster that you will gain praise and glory for slaying. At that point in time, the word barbary didn't even exist and when it finally did, it changed the name of a specific group of people in to an insult and then went to say that everyone that is not us is just like them, i.e. barbaric. Every group of people or religion or country has barberism or atrocity in their past. The jews, and then the christians decided to justify this to themselves by telling eachother it was god's divine purpose, but what you need to realize is there is no need to justify such actions at all. They are in all of our pasts at one point or another. Whenever any organism is stressed for survival it reacts with complete disregard for any sympathetic connection between any other thing. Survival is always priority one and when anything is pressed to its first priority it will be brutal and quick or will die.

[Swikity]

You are obviously a total idiot. Although I may not agree with some of the things said in the Bible, I wouldn't go around dissing it. The ignorance of some people amaze me. Many people find things like that very insulting. I know it's an opinion, but not something that people should go around saying. And creationism? What are you even talking about? I can't even understand half the stuff you wrote there. And that shit that your mumbling about China and American development? That doesn't even make sense. So your saying that because North Americans believe in religion, while China has hovercars, white people won't? Maybe you should make sure your thread makes sense before you just create one on total nonsense. You'd also better be white or you're being extremely racist: stupid white person

[Universal Mind]

You are obviously a total idiot. Although I may not agree with some of the things said in the Bible, I wouldn't go around dissing it. The ignorance of some people amaze me. It was a quote from the Bible. Explain your accusation of ignorance. You didn't explain your accusation. You just made it and threw in some insults. I was waiting for you to explain that the passage isn't really in the Bible, but I never found where you made that point.

[Marvo]

Even though I'm an atheist, I must admit, that I am a bit disappointed, about how some of my fellow atheists behave.

[joey11223]

Even though I'm an atheist, I must admit, that I am a bit disappointed, about how some of my fellow atheists behave. im disappointing that Gill Grissom hasn't solved the case yet, i already have:p. Eh im sorry but with such a large group of people with such strong believes, there will be extremists on both sides... So you can come sit with me and share the popcorn, though we are eating chilli heatwave doritos right now.:p

[Swikity]

It was a quote from the Bible. Explain your accusation of ignorance. You didn't explain your accusation. You just made it and threw in some insults. I was waiting for you to explain that the passage isn't really in the Bible, but I never found where you made that point. I like how some people can take one thing somebody says, then totally twist it to say something different. Where did I ever say in my post that the passage wasn't from the Bible? All I was stating in that post is how some people can be so ignorant of other people's beliefs. I mean, lets say I walk up to my Jewish friend and say, "Hey, Jews are stupid. It is stated in the Holy Bible that all Jews will go to hell when they die. They're also evil because they killed Jesus." That would be a totally ignorant and rude thing to say, regardless of how I feel about Jewish people and what is said in the Bible (I don't mind them in actuallity). Same thing for Wendy's post about the Bible being evil. You can believe that as much as you want, but it shouldn't be a thing that you just say to people. But seriously, you have to admit that that stuff she said about China having hovercars and us being stuck with Bibles made no sense whatsoever.

[Moonbeam]

Same thing for Wendy's post about the Bible being evil. You can believe that as much as you want, but it shouldn't be a thing that you just say to people. Why not? It's the truth. What do you think should be done to people who just go around saying it? Get out your bible and find out what it says.

[Swikity]

I have read it myself. Personally, I disagree with it, but I won't call it evil. The Bible was supposidly created over 1900 years ago. Of course there will be some barbarac things in it. And it wasn't even any of the people who were "there" first-hand who wrote it. They were passed from generations until somebody finally decided to write it down. The bottom line is that it is really ignorant to insult other people's religions, and anyone who dissagrees with that obviously doesn't know what their talking about.

[Moonbeam]

I have read it myself. The bottom line is that it is really ignorant to insult other people's religions, and anyone who dissagrees with that obviously doesn't know what their talking about. Pointing out that the bible supports rape, slavery, and murder is not ignorant. Believing in the bible is. It is not obvious at all that someone who "insults" religion does not know what they are talking about. I think the opposite is true. I think wendylove was pointing out the dismal state of this country, in that there is a general lack of scientific knowledge, which is due in large part to the overbearing influence of religion.

[Swikity]

Sorry, but I fail to understand how you think believing in the Bible is ignorant. I don't live every word of it, I know the creation story is absolute bullshit, but hey, I have a religion and I'm proud of that. Now for somebody to go out there and say that a religion is evil, facts or no facts, religion or no religion, yes, that is most definately ignorant. Pointing out? Look at this: I can't believe people think the bible is some how moral. Christian is wrapped stupid white person (Totally unnessisary) Pointing out that the Bible says some stuff about killing people who don't follow, raping non-followers, etc. is one thing, but saying bullshit like that is totally different. But I wouldn't really put it to somebody who wrote this: One of the creationist museum pieces is off a chinese person using logic and science and saying a dinosaur fossil is really old, and then their is a stupid white person and all he needs is the bible to know it is not old but 6,000 years old. Saying that it not all that bad as in the future a chinese person would proberly be in a hovercar and then you would have a white person standing next to him with a bible, I can't wait intill china over takes america in developement, however I don't know about japan and india. To a) care about other's feelings b) know what the fuck they're talking about And like I said: The Bible was supposidly created over 1900 years ago. Of course there will be some barbarac things in it. And it wasn't even any of the people who were "there" first-hand who wrote it. They were passed from generations until somebody finally decided to write it down.

[MSG]

For the love of God can't you atheists take one second to look at yourself and realize that you're no better than the Christians for acting this way? Jesus Christ, it takes some real nerve to scold Christians for having such a passionate belief in something and pushing it on others when you're doing the exact same thing.

[Tomdub]

Even though I'm an atheist, I must admit, that I am a bit disappointed, about how some of my fellow atheists behave. I agree, I usually don't go ranting against christians, but the main stream atheists do. (Thus the attention they get) and they make normal non-believers look bad. I also am not to fond of arguments based against the bible and just Christianity, I mean the bible has been edited and translated so many times it is hard to really take everything you read for fact. Atheist aren't anti-Christian either they just don't believe in god. My church is a very fun place to be and everyone is friendly. Also pushing atheism on people is unrealistic. It is useless, If you are an atheist you most likely decided that for yourself.

[Universal Mind]

I like how some people can take one thing somebody says, then totally twist it to say something different. Where did I ever say in my post that the passage wasn't from the Bible? You didn't. That was exactly my point. The issue regarded what the Bible says, somebody quoted the Bible, and you called that person ignorant without explaining why you were making that accusation. I don't think all Christians are evil. I don't even think most Christians are evil. But I do think the Bible condones some pretty evil stuff, and the passage Wendy quoted shows one of them. However, the Bible does also encourage some really good things. I think this is a discussion worth having, but that does not mean I am anti-Christian. If I were, I wouldn't bother with this religion forum. I would be calling radio shows and yelling on the street corners so I could reach a much bigger audience. I come to this forum because it is specifically set up for this type of discussion, people know what they are getting into, and every person is a willing participant. I am just interested in really understanding the religion of my childhood and adolescence. It baffles me that I believed it for so long, and that makes me have a major interest in it. Maybe my participation here is some kind of Freudian self-therapy. It has also been extremely educational. I don't know how else to approach Christians and try so hard to get to the bottom of what Christianity is about without screwing with random groups of people who don't want to talk about this stuff. My philosophy is that if a person participates in a thread, that person is fair game for discussion of the thread topic. But I have no desire to make anybody feel bad just for being a Christian.

[Faken]

You didn't. That was exactly my point. The issue regarded what the Bible says, somebody quoted the Bible, and you called that person ignorant without explaining why you were making that accusation. I don't think all Christians are evil. I don't even think most Christians are evil. But I do think the Bible condones some pretty evil stuff, and the passage Wendy quoted shows one of them. However, the Bible does also encourage some really good things. I think this is a discussion worth having, but that does not mean I am anti-Christian. If I were, I wouldn't bother with this religion forum. I would be calling radio shows and yelling on the street corners so I could reach a much bigger audience. I come to this forum because it is specifically set up for this type of discussion, people know what they are getting into, and every person is a willing participant. I am just interested in really understanding the religion of my childhood and adolescence. It baffles me that I believed it for so long, and that makes me have a major interest in it. Maybe my participation here is some kind of Freudian self-therapy. It has also been extremely educational. I don't know how else to approach Christians and try so hard to get to the bottom of what Christianity is about without screwing with random groups of people who don't want to talk about this stuff. My philosophy is that if a person participates in a thread, that person is fair game for discussion of the thread topic. But I have no desire to make anybody feel bad just for being a Christian. (Only want a replying to what is in red.) Ok even though you see evil things in does the bible approve it? i think it never approve any evil act.

[Bonsay]

(Only want a replying to what is in red.) Ok even though you see evil things in does the bible approve it? i think it never approve any evil act. Wait. I don't understand. Who is your god, the bible or "God"? It's important what god does, not what the bible approves of. The fact is God is evil, he kills people and burns them in lakes of fire for eternity. There is no dogging that fact.

[joey11223]

lol the devil does that, God just kicks people off the edge of the cliff.:p