Multiplication Islam Vs Christianty

[wendylove]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SdmBOTB3SLs I wonder what religion will win as america is heavily chrisitian and sees Islam as it enemy. Terrorism and insurgency is really strong and expanding, throw in Iraq war then we have a hot bed of hate. I think the first religion to die would be Buddhism as it getting weaker and Judaism might go as lots of people hate jewish people. Who will win Islam or Christainty? Personally I want both to destroy each other so the human race is better off, what has both done for us anyway.

[Indecent Exposure]

Person who poasted above me :- Immortal Technique Lyrics, 4th Branch? and, your a strange person, Buddhism is more likely to surivve than Christanity, Chrsitianity is decreasing in numbers. whereas Islam is growing rapidly However, I do believe in the end religion shall be obsolete, humans are becoming more and more intelligent, we are using science to discover the truth about the universe, as we discover more, surely more people will turn away from religion. Imran

[george]

I would disagree with you there, wendylove. Buddhism is least likely to die out. It has reached the west only in the last 50 years or so and already has found vast support. Christianity is losing support and Islam has relatively none in the USA. And anyway, when you look at it closely, Islam = Christianity. The differences are really minor.

[Indecent Exposure]

I would disagree with you there, wendylove. Buddhism is least likely to die out. It has reached the west only in the last 50 years or so and already has found vast support. Christianity is losing support and Islam has relatively none in the USA. And anyway, when you look at it closely, Islam = Christianity. The differences are really minor.[/b] People like to say that. but there is really one major differnece tht means tht can never be true was jesus the son of god and of course was muhamad truly th ealst messenger of God

[george]

People like to say that. but there is really one major differnece tht means tht can never be true was jesus the son of god and of course was muhamad truly th ealst messenger of God[/b] and those are about the onliest differences. Simple questions of dogmatism - not basic ideas. It's like when you see an apple from one side and your friend is seeing the apple from the other side, and you start arguing that it is not the same apple you are seeing.

[Jeremysr]

Person who poasted above me :- Immortal Technique Lyrics, 4th Branch? and, your a strange person, Buddhism is more likely to surivve than Christanity, Chrsitianity is decreasing in numbers. whereas Islam is growing rapidly However, I do believe in the end religion shall be obsolete, humans are becoming more and more intelligent, we are using science to discover the truth about the universe, as we discover more, surely more people will turn away from religion. Imran[/b] I think as we discover more, we'll see more evidence of the universe being designed. As we learn more about the universe we'll see how complicated and perfect it is, and people will still believe in God or whatever. You don't have to be unintelligent to believe in God. Although I'm not sure what intelligent means exactly (apparently they keep changing the meaning to make ourselves more intelligent than computers. Years ago intelligence was being good at memory and math according to dictionaries.)

[george]

Jeremy, I do not agree with you. Certainly, as mankind is discovering more there is less and less proof for an intelligent design theory. In the past it was thought to be a fact but then astronomy and physics made some significant advances, along with biology, medicine, psychology - any field of science, basically. It has been proven that evolution occurs, how the universe came into existence, that one does not only need to pray in order to be healed. All that the intelligent design theory HAS done in the past, is to hinder the advances of science - by imprisoning and burning the people who dared disagree with the church. The intelligent design theory is an outdated, poor attempt to explain natural phenomena. It is amazing to me that Christians still want to hold on to it, even when the obvious proof - such as earth rotating around the sun and not being the middle of the universe, as Christianity proclaimed - is to the opposite. Some Christian beliefs simply do not make sense and often contradict themselves. A good example of contradiction is this: Heaven is eternal. Yet Satan was an archangel who fell out of heaven. How can something "fall out" of an eternal place? So I think it is time for Christianity to make some changes and admit that some parts of its teachings are ridiculous, and adapt to the new times, and accept the scientific advances. And the reason why this has not been done? The most fundamental teachings of Christianity are on this fragile ground.

[Jeremysr]

I don't think we'll change our teachings. Our teachings come from the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God and doesn't change. If even one part is wrong that makes God a liar.

[Indecent Exposure]

I don't think we'll change our teachings. Our teachings come from the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God and doesn't change. If even one part is wrong that makes God a liar.[/b] So yo uagree that the old testament is also correct then? and its oaky to beat slaves to death? because christians accept that the OT is also the word of god. Imran

[Jeremysr]

So yo uagree that the old testament is also correct then? and its oaky to beat slaves to death? because christians accept that the OT is also the word of god. Imran[/b] That was a law for Moses or something. Not us. The Bible is full of stories.

[Indecent Exposure]

and those are about the onliest differences. Simple questions of dogmatism - not basic ideas. It's like when you see an apple from one side and your friend is seeing the apple from the other side, and you start arguing that it is not the same apple you are seeing.[/b] we're not talking aboit nit pickys lyk general doctrine, we're discussing the foundations of both religions. They are very different religions

[Ynot]

we're not talking aboit nit pickys lyk general doctrine, we're discussing the foundations of both religions. They are very different religions[/b] not really it's the same story told from a different view point Jesus is mentioned in the Qur'ān in fact, I think he's portrayed as a prophet (need help from Muslims here, as I'm not sure) The only difference being in the Qur'ān, he isn't the son of God *edit* quick google pulled up this http://www3.sympatico.ca/shabir.ally/new_page_24.htm

[The Blue Meanie]

Jesus is a prophet in Islam. Islam regards Judaism and Christianity as its predecessors, and sees Mohummad as bringing the third (and final, I think?) revelation. Again though as Ynot said, any muslim feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. As for which religion(s) will die out? I think the suggestion that buddhism will first, is sort of absurd, to be honest, and I don't know where you pulled that from, Wendylove. Buddhism is most likely to be the last current religion which survives in any recognisable form. Of all religions it's pretty much the only one which not only tolerates change but embraces and encourages it. I mean, the Dalai Lama himself has said that if science conflicts with Buddhism, Buddhism must change. Buddhism, originally an offshoot of Hinduism, is incredibly adaptable, nonconfrontational... it's amazing how great a foothold it's got in the past few DECADES in Western countries amoungst culturally western people. Unlike almost any other religion, it doesn;t NEED missionary activity to spread, it doesn;t need a huge body of resources and church, it's so adaptable and simple and malleable that it's going to outlast every other current religion in the world, imho. It will likely change a lot, but I think it will still remain recognisable as long as it is not "churchified" and formalised.

[syzygy]

Jesus is a prophet in Islam. Islam regards Judaism and Christianity as its predecessors, and sees Mohummad as bringing the third (and final, I think?) revelation. Again though as Ynot said, any muslim feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.[/b] According to Islam, Muhammad is the sixth and final prophet of our current cycle of manifestation. The sixth prophets are: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, corresponding to the six days of Creation. There is an interesting connection between the esoteric understandings of Christianity and Islam (Shi'ism). In Shi'ism, each Prophet is followed by an Imam. The Prophet "brings down" the exoteric Law and the Imam takes that written Word "back to its source" by means of ta'wil (spiritual hermeneutics). The Imam remains hidden from the world during a cycle until the end, at which point it "reveals" a truth about that cycle. The final Imam is called the Imam of Resurrection because it completes our current cycle by "resurrecting" our state of spiritual death and bringing the spiritual birth of a new cycle (this can happen on both the level of the individual and humanity). This is similar to the second coming of Christ understood esoterically, when Christ (spiritual understanding (or consciousness)) is "resurrected" within ourselves. In esoteric understandings of both religions, this corresponds to the seventh day of Creation, the day of rest (where days of Creation are states of being or consciousness). This state of being is when spiritual understanding is directly perceived instead of by way of symbols. From this point of view, it is silly and meaningless to talk about certain religions "winning" over others. Exoteric aspects of religion are born and die, but the inner remains, cloaked in many forms throughout the many cycles of manifestation.

[george]

I don't think we'll change our teachings. Our teachings come from the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God and doesn't change. If even one part is wrong that makes God a liar.[/b] How reliable is the Bible really? Often the gospels contradict each other. And remember, the Bible was written by humans, not God. So is God a liar because he said these things: smoke comes out God's nose and fire comes out of his mouth, Ps 18:7-8; donkeys can talk, Num 22:28 Even schoolchildren know that the Earth moves. It spins around its axis and orbits the sun, for example. In 1 Chronicles 16:30 the Bible says, "The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." (See also Ps 93:1, 96:10 and 104:5). So I take it God is a liar.

[bluefinger]

I don't think we'll change our teachings. Our teachings come from the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God and doesn't change. If even one part is wrong that makes God a liar.[/b] I'm sorry to seem confrontational, but there is so much more to life than the Bible can ever hope to teach us about. Remember, the Bible was written by people, normal ordinary people. Even if it is the 'word of God', those words went through a person, and could have been modified to his or her own beliefs/agendas. 2000 years ago, people didn't know how the world came about, let alone how lightning was created, or what the cause of earthquakes and volcanoes were. People had to explain things in their own ways back then, and the Bible helped them in that aspect. Now, since we have Science, we can explain the workings of this world and of the universe around us. Nothing has to be left as "God's work" any more. You may choose to believe otherwise, but you are gonna find it hard convince others. The Bible may be used to guide your faith, but it can't be used to explain how the world works any more. If anything, the only book I know that has knowledge way more concise than the Bible, not mention older than the new Testament, is Sun Tzu's The Art Of War... it is startling to read it how a lot of the knowledge in that book can still be applied today, and not just in military affairs.

[Jeremysr]

How reliable is the Bible really? Often the gospels contradict each other. And remember, the Bible was written by humans, not God.[/b] Show me where. So is God a liar because he said these things: smoke comes out God's nose and fire comes out of his mouth, Ps 18:7-8; donkeys can talk, Num 22:28[/b] Psm 18 uses personification I guess... (it's a song.) How does Num 22:28 make God a liar? It doesn't say donkeys can talk. It just says, "Then the Lord gave the ass the power of talking". Even schoolchildren know that the Earth moves. It spins around its axis and orbits the sun, for example. In 1 Chronicles 16:30 the Bible says, "The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." (See also Ps 93:1, 96:10 and 104:5). So I take it God is a liar.[/b] If it meant the earth it would have said "The earth". Instead it says the world. Which means the people of the earth. Did you actually find these yourself in the Bible? Or did you go to some site for them just so you could look for explanations of why God lies? Because if you actually read these it should be obvious that they aren't lies...

[Neruo]

I think the Christianity of 500 years ago has already 'died out'. Maybe the religion of 50 years ago has already 'died out'. Especially Europe: Most countries say to be Christian, but comparing to 100 years ago they are something completely different. Christianity will 'stick' to western society for a few decades, but it's effect will hopefully be less and less. America might be a bit behind, but it will follow. Untill world problems (poverty, hunger, war) are solved, for centuries there will be religion in Africa and such.

[syzygy]

I think the Christianity of 500 years ago has already 'died out'. Maybe the religion of 50 years ago has already 'died out'. Especially Europe: Most countries say to be Christian, but comparing to 100 years ago they are something completely different. Christianity will 'stick' to western society for a few decades, but it's effect will hopefully be less and less. America might be a bit behind, but it will follow. Untill world problems (poverty, hunger, war) are solved, for centuries there will be religion in Africa and such.[/b] It is true, the external aspects of religion come into being and "die out", but the internal essence can never be born or die since it is outside of our history, outside of time, always existing in the present. This is where we should focus our attention: to the moment. You cannot find truth in the continuously changing sensory world; it must be found within, where the Principle resides.