Mormonism Questions

[FluBB]

alright, i am mormon. and if you dont know mormons have seminary where they take a period out of there day and go learn about the gospel. i am wondering if any of you guys have some really hard questions about the history or the doctrine of the mormon church that i can ask my teacher. anything you say please say where you got it or if its true or just your opinion or not, i dont want to look like a retard when i tell him that i got the info from "some guy" online.

[sweetshoes18]

Read Read Read my friend http://mormonssuck.com/original/index.html

[Hominus Feralis]

do you guys really believe jesus came to north america? if you do tell us your proof. Hint: What Joseph Smith wrote down on paper is not proof, although it may be to you. By that reasoning i could write that i am 40 feet tall, and that is proof enough ps. Mormons are cooooollllllll.

[FluBB]

wow thats really all?? im surprized.

[Leo Volont]

alright, i am mormon. and if you dont know mormons have seminary where they take a period out of there day and go learn about the gospel. i am wondering if any of you guys have some really hard questions about the history or the doctrine of the mormon church that i can ask my teacher. anything you say please say where you got it or if its true or just your opinion or not, i dont want to look like a retard when i tell him that i got the info from "some guy" online. [/b] Yeah, sure. When you conquer the world are you going to kill us all or just put us into camps and enslave us. By the looks of how Mormon run companies operate in non-Mormon areas of the Country, it seems like you will be going the way of enslavement. but once there is no longer any Government oversight to inhibit Mormon behavior, I largely suspect you will begin killing us all.

[Hominus Feralis]

Leo, you are problably the craziest person ALIVE!!!!!

[Leo Volont]

Leo, you are problably the craziest person ALIVE!!!!! [/b] You never met my ex-wife.

[FluBB]

Yeah, sure. When you conquer the world are you going to kill us all or just put us into camps and enslave us. By the looks of how Mormon run companies operate in non-Mormon areas of the Country, it seems like you will be going the way of enslavement. but once there is no longer any Government oversight to inhibit Mormon behavior, I largely suspect you will begin killing us all. [/b] hmm.... well i suppose you think were some crazy cult with blood lust waiting to pounce on the innocent? well why do you think that?

[27]

alright, i am mormon. and if you dont know mormons have seminary where they take a period out of there day and go learn about the gospel. i am wondering if any of you guys have some really hard questions about the history or the doctrine of the mormon church that i can ask my teacher. anything you say please say where you got it or if its true or just your opinion or not, i dont want to look like a retard when i tell him that i got the info from "some guy" online.[/b] Don't do this dude. Please don't. Didn't you see what happened in the other Mormon thread? do you guys really believe jesus came to north america? if you do tell us your proof. Hint: What Joseph Smith wrote down on paper is not proof, although it may be to you. By that reasoning i could write that i am 40 feet tall, and that is proof enough ps. Mormons are cooooollllllll.[/b] Umm, thanks but, if you need proof look at Native American (Inca or whoever it was) folk lore that speaks of a "great white God" of other artifacts that seem to come straight out of the Book of Mormon. But most people don't need hard evidence to belive in their religion. Yeah, sure. When you conquer the world are you going to kill us all or just put us into camps and enslave us. By the looks of how Mormon run companies operate in non-Mormon areas of the Country, it seems like you will be going the way of enslavement. but once there is no longer any Government oversight to inhibit Mormon behavior, I largely suspect you will begin killing us all.[/b] Yup, you discovered us, Leo.

[The Blue Meanie]

Thanks for volunteering to inform us plebians, FluBB. I have a few questions, if you don't mind: [*]What Books of the Old and New testaments does the Mormon religion/denomination regard as "Canon"? [*]Are there any additional books not found in most Christian bibles that are included in the Mormon canon, and if so, what are their origins? [*]Are their any books usually found in most christian bibles that are NOT found in the mormon canon, and if so, which books, and why are they excluded? [*]What is Mormonism's attitude about the exclusivity of salvation? By this, I mean that do mormons believe that only a very select few will be "saved"? Thanks. And for the rest of you guys, if you want to bash mormonism, make your own thread. Personally, I'm an atheist, but, I like to know as MUCH as possible about other religions. Know Thy Enemy, sort of thing.

[Hominus Feralis]

Yo, 27, are you mentally retarted? You refer to the "the great white god" leave it to a christian to think that jesus was white. I suppose he spoke english too!!!! Jesus was from the middle east, and probably was a shit load more black than white. Think before you make idiotic statements again. Oh, my bad 27. I read your post fully and i see you werent being stupid. MYBAD!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[Tsen]

Good thread for kicks and giggles, so far. Leo, you're "You've never met my ex-wife" comment really had me rolling on the floor, good show. Anyway. You all know the drill on me by now, I expect. At least if you read the other threads in the Religion forum. Ex-Mo and whatnot. So, I'm going to take the liberty of answering TBM's questions: [*]What Books of the Old and New testaments does the Mormon religion/denomination regard as "Canon"?[/b] According to their Eigth Article of Faith, ALL of them, so far as they are translated correctly. The LDS faith recognizes that the Bible is a flawed translation. To them, while the original was gawd's divine word, it's been incorrectly translated over the years, so its not pure truth. Joseph Smith actually was "retranslating" the Bible using the Urim and Thummim, magic mythical glasses from the Book of Mormon. He was killed before he could finish, but there's a segment in the back of most Books O' Mo with what bits he did retranslate. Now, [*]Are there any additional books not found in most Christian bibles that are included in the Mormon canon, and if so, what are their origins?[/b] Yes, there are, but no new additions to the Bible. They use a standard King James Bible, but with an added cross-reference guide and index in the back. There are, however, a few other scriptures: The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants. The Book of Mormon is (supposedly) the translated records of the saints in the Americas. Perportedly, there were originally two sets of records, one historical and geneological, the other spiritual. The Book of Mormon is one of those, the other is lost somewhere. Additionally, there was supposedly a sealed section of the Book of Mormon that Jo Smith wasn't allowed to translate because we "weren't ready for it". There's also a segment of translated bits of the Book of Mormon that were loaned to Martin Harris, and were promptly lost/stolen/destroyed. The Pearl of Great Price is made up of only a handful of books, including the book of Moses. I don't remember what the origins were, but basically it's the Mormon creation myth in a nutshell. Very little of the book has to do with events on this world, but rather with gawd's plans and details of how the heavens and such all works. The Doctrine and Covenants are a group of "revelations" given to church leaders. Most are from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, the first two prophets of the LDS church, but there's a few sections that are more recent. They're all written within the last two hundred years, though, and all, more or less, about how the saints are to conduct themselves and some fine-tuning additions to doctrine found in the Book of Mormon, to clarify the fuzzy points. [*]Are their any books usually found in most christian bibles that are NOT found in the mormon canon, and if so, which books, and why are they excluded? [/b] Like I mentioned, they use the King James Version, so all books in the standard KJV are in theirs. A few Christian religions use other versions, but most don't. [*]What is Mormonism's attitude about the exclusivity of salvation? By this, I mean that do mormons believe that only a very select few will be "saved"?[/b] Depends on who you talk to. One concrete part of Mormon doctrine, though, is that everybody will get the chance to hear the gospel once they die. They always use a cheesy flow chart to explain the afterlife; basically, you die, then go to either Sprit Prison, or Paradise. What makes the distinction between where you'll go is uncertain, some of my seminary teachers told me it was based on how you percieved your actions, whether you thought you were doing good or evil. Others have said that it's based on a more objective standard. Either way, Spirit Paradise/Prison is like a waiting room to be judged. Everybody goes to one of the two first, and stays there until judgement where they'll be sent to the Terrestial, Telestial or Celestial. Basically, those are the Mormon versions of Heaven/Hell--Celestial is the equivalent of heaven, Terrestrial is the equivalent of hell, though its supposedly not as bad as traditional Christian hell. Telestial is somewhere in between, a place for people who are neither good nor bad. Anyway, while in Sprit Paradise/Prison, everybody who didn't get a chance to hear the doctrine of the LDS religion gets a chance to hear it. That's why Mormons do "Baptisms for the dead". Basically, they baptise people here on earth so that in case they accept the doctrine up in Spirit Paradise/Prison they'll be able to get into heaven. More or less, in order to get into heaven, you have to go through a few steps. First you have to be baptised into the Mormon church, then confirmed a member and given the gift of the Holy Ghost. Next you've got to be married (no single people in heaven, sorry). If I remember right, though, you'll also have the chance to get hitched up in Spirit Prison/Paradise, since not everybody here on Earth will be able to get married or whatever. You've also got to be "sealed" which is part of the Mormon wedding ceremony, and basically is just an addition to the standard ceremony that makes the marriage eternal (apparently marriages that aren't conducted Mormon-style and aren't sealed later on are automatically annulled when you get to heaven, so they don't count or something.) I think that basically covers it.

[Leo Volont]

hmm.... well i suppose you think were some crazy cult with blood lust waiting to pounce on the innocent? well why do you think that? [/b] So you are not familiar with how Mormons manage non-Mormon employees? And then shouldn't I be worried about a Mormon Campaign of genocide against the entire world, when they seem to be adopting the same model as the Jews have claimed for themselves -- that God favors them, and that Land can be taken by Conquest, and it is more convenient to take no prisoners then to transport them away someplace where they won't be such a bother. I am applying the Walk like a Duck, Talk like a Duck Rule. Mormons copy Jews. Jews are genocidal maniacs. Therefore Mormons are wannabee genocidal maniacs. Now, if Mormons think they are being misunderstood, then they should quit their silly and bigotted Religion.

[spoon]

Jews are genocidal maniacs. Therefore Mormons are wannabee genocidal maniacs. [/b] Are you fucking serious? Most of your abuse is manageable (and quite funny watching you turn to it when your arguments fail) but this is over the line - even for an unmoderated forum. Or so I'd hope anyway. Moderators? Now, if Mormons think they are being misunderstood, then they should quit their silly and bigotted Religion.[/b] Your religion seems just as silly to most of us.

[FluBB]

So you are not familiar with how Mormons manage non-Mormon employees? And then shouldn't I be worried about a Mormon Campaign of genocide against the entire world, when they seem to be adopting the same model as the Jews have claimed for themselves -- that God favors them, and that Land can be taken by Conquest, and it is more convenient to take no prisoners then to transport them away someplace where they won't be such a bother. I am applying the Walk like a Duck, Talk like a Duck Rule. Mormons copy Jews. Jews are genocidal maniacs. Therefore Mormons are wannabee genocidal maniacs. Now, if Mormons think they are being misunderstood, then they should quit their silly and bigotted Religion. [/b] yeah sorry leo, im failing to make a connection with what your talking about. you sound more like a ranting old man that got laid off by a mormon boss which you think was because of your religion.

[The Blue Meanie]

Are you fucking serious? Most of your abuse is manageable (and quite funny watching you turn to it when your arguments fail) but this is over the line - even for an unmoderated forum. Or so I'd hope anyway. Moderators? [/b] This is an UNMODERATED forum, so I think it unlikely that the moderators will step in here. If leo was being abusive towards another MEMBER, that is another story. HOWEVER. Whilst certainly provocative, I think there is some truth in what Leo has said. However, he has twisted that truth in order to (in my opinion) deliberatelyy be even more provocative. So, I'd like to add my own two cents: Jews are genocidal maniacs. Therefore Mormons are wannabee genocidal maniacs. [/b] HISTORICALLY, the Jewish people were certainly genocidal. However, this is ANCIENT history, pre-Christian times. Old Testament. In this respect, the Jews were certainly not alone... many other nations were just as bad and committed similar acts of genocide. In modern times, the Israeli nation has committed actions which (arguably) BORDER on genocide. HOWEVER. One cannot in good faith carry the "sins" of a people from thousands of years back (Old testament), and lay them on current-day jews. Likewise, Israel does NOT equate to the Jewish people, and we cannot put the sins of one nation on to a broader ethnic group.

[FluBB]

oh yeah, and thanks Tsen for taking those questions.... they seemed all correct to me, im pretty sure. its too bad you left the church, you would be a good missionary im sure.

[27]

I agree, Tsen you definatley know church docterine. Leo, I'd really like to know how you think 'Mormons manage non-Mormon employees' or why you think we're trying to take over the world.

[Tsen]

No, that was actually one of the reasons I left the church. I hate missionaries, and proselytizing in general. I think that (if) a god exists, said god, being perfect, shouldn't be so arrogant and self-righteous as to expect all of humankind to worship him/her/it. I can understand if a god wants us to uphold certain moral standards, but I don't think that Mormon (or any other religion's) standards equate to a universal morality code. Because of this, I think that a truly omnibenevolent god would accept all people who further good causes into heaven--regardless of their religion or lack thereof. To use an old comparison of mine, I can't imagine a god damning Ghandi to an eternity of hell just because he wasn't Christian. So in the end, missionary work seems a bit of a moot point to me. I mean, why convert somebody when a loving god would accept them into heaven anyway, provided they're a good person? And if I'm wrong, why waste people's time? Then you get into the question of whether a god exists at all. Doubtfull, really. Teapot atheism, turtles all the way down, etc.

[Howie]

This is an UNMODERATED forum, so I think it unlikely that the moderators will step in here. If leo was being abusive towards another MEMBER, that is another story.[/b] Yes. Thank you TBM. Leo is innapropriately responding, that is without question. It is not directed at any one individual. * However I would like to make this clear >This forum is left unmoderated; participate in discussions at your own risk. Refer to this post for some suggested guidelines. Note that abusive members can still be banned.