Thread: Faith In the Bible Is No Faith At All

Faith in the Bible Is No Faith At All

What so completely demoralizes me is the Complete Lack of Faith in God that is demonstrated by all of these Western Religions who fixate in glomming onto the Bible. Honestly, these people must assume that God will absolutely forbid to send them any Revelation of the Truth on their own if only they should ask for it.

When have any of these people ever before deigned to believe either a Jew or a Greek about anything ever before? But they readily accept their Bible, with all of their greasy paw prints, interpolations, augmentations, commentaries, editorializings, and even interested corruptions (The Leading Jewish Family from Babylon, the Levies, pretending to discover a Missing Scripture that quotes Moses as saying the Levies have a Monopoly on the Lucrative Office of Chief Priest... come on!... what Bullshit! Then they arrive from Babylon with the of hundreds of thousands of Head of Sheep and Goat which the Persians paid them to betray the Gates of Babylon (trustworthy Jews, all through history), with the declaration that the Newly Discovered Scriptures suddenly declare that the Existing Trade in Pork has always been illegal… and then we wonder that Christ was born into a Judaism replete with so many cynical Atheists. They knew their own Bible was bullcrap, so why do any of us care to believe it?).

Now, if a person had any Real Faith in God, he or she would only have to pray for Guidance and Revelation and wait for an Angel to appear and set everything to Order. Screw the Jews and their Bible. And screw the Greeks for stealing another People's Revelation. What? The Greeks couldn't write their own Scriptures. Yes, by the first and second Centuries their Golden Age of Literature was already 5 Centuries behind them... at the time they were Stealing the Bible they were looking upon Plato and Aristotle from the same perspective that we now look back on Shakespeare and Milton. They were indeed much like us. They had no Faith of their own. And they took most of the entertainment from Jewish Screenwriters. The Bible – “based on a true story”.

A True Religion should be able to write its own Scripture. And should be able to fashion a Religion that doesn’t need to Kill its Leader so that all of its Members can sin, sin, sin, without a worry in the World. A True Religion should start in Morality and end in Spirituality. Not begin with Murder and End in Excuses for Sin.

Amen.

I'm guessing in a nutshell, this was about the frustrated attitude toward religions being so soul-bound to their ancient scriptures. These kind of people live on nothing but tradition, and are too fearful to go astray the ways they have been taught by their teachers.

I support this attitude to an extent, because I also believe revelations do happen, and are too often unacknowledged.

Originally posted by AirRick101
I'm guessing in a nutshell, this was about the frustrated attitude toward religions being so soul-bound to their ancient scriptures. *These kind of people live on nothing but tradition, and are too fearful to go astray the ways they have been taught by their teachers. *

I support this attitude to an extent, because I also believe revelations do happen, and are too often unacknowledged.

yes, and it can be so demoralizing.

For instance, the Catholic Church with the Council of Nicea swore that they would close Scripture and admit no new canon or revelation, ever again, until the end of the World.

so, although the Catholic church has had dozens of First Magnitude Saints since the Council of Nicea, they cannot recognize their Teachings or Realizations substantially in any way. Well, they do have a loophole called "private revelation" so that people will not be burned as heretics for simply referring to the Saints.

But what the Catholic Church as done, with the Council's Cap on Scripture was to effectively Silence and Censor God Himself. In the 17 Hundred Years since the Council of Nicea, the Catholic Church could well have compiled a Valid and Updated Canon of New Scriptures that could have freed the Church of its previous dependence upon Judaic and Greek Traditions. They could have written their Own Bible.

The Saints could have been treated as Valid Prophets. And Super Saints such as Vincent Ferrer could have been appreciated in the proper perspective as almost Effective 2nd Comings of Christ. Instead, they have virtually been ignored.

How many Atheists bitch about the dis-certitude involved in verifying Ancient Scriptures. Well, we might have had a totally verifiable Modern Scripture but for the idiocy of those Bone Headed Bishops, who know more of the ins and outs of homosexuality and pedophilia then they do of managing a working Religion.

So you're not a catholic?

Originally posted by Amethyst Star
So you're not a catholic?

there are two types of Catholic -- the Marians, particularly those of the independent Religious Orders. Then there is the Secular Clergy - The Bishops and their hirelings, the Priestsm -- these are the Paulists that I complain about.

Now, the Bishops and the Priests would insist that I am not really a Catholic. But the Religious Orders would do what they have always done, and that is to tell the Secular Clergy they can go fuck themselves.

Faith in the Bible Is No Faith At All

What so completely demoralizes me is the Complete Lack of Faith in God that is demonstrated by all of these Western Religions who fixate in glomming onto the Bible. Honestly, these people must assume that God will absolutely forbid to send them any Revelation of the Truth on their own if only they should ask for it.

Incorrect, we know that the bible is Truth and therefore hold it equal to all parts of this Truth and consider any untruths unequal to the Bible. For example, if I have a revelation from God, then this Truth is equal to the Bible because this is another part of the same basic Truth. A good example of this is when Joan of Arc was told by Saint Catherine and the Archangel Micheal to lead the French armies against the English/Burgundiens she considered this Truth and followed their direction, she did not wait for some prophecy in the Bible to direct her to do this. However, if someone comes forward to say for example that someone comes forward and says that they are an angel and God orders all of Humanity to worship them so they shall have eternal salvation, then we know from the Bible that this is an untruth and therefore is not equal to the Bible and should not be done.

When have any of these people ever before deigned to believe either a Jew or a Greek about anything ever before? But they readily accept their Bible, with all of their greasy paw prints, interpolations, augmentations, commentaries, editorializings, and even interested corruptions (The Leading Jewish Family from Babylon, the Levies, pretending to discover a Missing Scripture that quotes Moses as saying the Levies have a Monopoly on the Lucrative Office of Chief Priest... come on!... what Bullshit! Then they arrive from Babylon with the of hundreds of thousands of Head of Sheep and Goat which the Persians paid them to betray the Gates of Babylon (trustworthy Jews, all through history), with the declaration that the Newly Discovered Scriptures suddenly declare that the Existing Trade in Pork has always been illegal… and then we wonder that Christ was born into a Judaism replete with so many cynical Atheists. They knew their own Bible was bullcrap, so why do any of us care to believe it?).

Please provide evidence for the statement in italics.

Now, if a person had any Real Faith in God, he or she would only have to pray for Guidance and Revelation and wait for an Angel to appear and set everything to Order.

Why should God answer our doubting whims when He gave us a perfectly good book already? It is good to pray for guidance and revelation when one already has Faith, but if one does not then one is only praying for reassurance of the existance of the invisible which, if one has any real faith, one can feel.

Screw the Jews and their Bible. And screw the Greeks for stealing another People's Revelation. What? The Greeks couldn't write their own Scriptures. Yes, by the first and second Centuries their Golden Age of Literature was already 5 Centuries behind them... at the time they were Stealing the Bible they were looking upon Plato and Aristotle from the same perspective that we now look back on Shakespeare and Milton. They were indeed much like us.

That does not mean the Greek language suddenly died out and they no longer wrote, what's more no creativity was needed because, believe it or not, Jesus was a real man and the story is True. Indeed, it seems to me that you are only building the case against yourself by saying that the Greeks sucked at writing at this time.

They had no Faith of their own. And they took most of the entertainment from Jewish Screenwriters. The Bible – “based on a true story”.

Please provide evidence.

A True Religion should be able to write its own Scripture. And should be able to fashion a Religion that doesn’t need to Kill its Leader so that all of its Members can sin, sin, sin, without a worry in the World. A True Religion should start in Morality and end in Spirituality. Not begin with Murder and End in Excuses for Sin.

Titus 3:8

"The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works."

It is impossible to gain salvation by good works (though many people have been led to believe that is the way to salvation). Paul's clear statement of Ephesians 2:8-10 is reaffirmed here: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." Salvation is the gift of God --it is appropriated by grace through faith--not by good works. But the one who trusts in Christ for salvation is created to do good works. The good works are the result of salvation--not the means of it.
Paul makes a similar point here in chapter 1 where he speaks of those "who profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work. (1:16 ESV)" There must first be the regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit (3:5) that remakes us into God's crafsmanship to do good works (2:14).

"But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say" (Luke 6:46)?

Grace saved us, God's death saved us, and we were reborn and because of this we do good works.[/quote]

[...] we know that the bible is Truth [...][/b]

How could you?


If everything is so perfect, and you simply consider the bible as true, how come it's necessary for "god" to prove to the "devil", that his creatures, humans, will believe in him no matter what (Hiob). If he himself is so perfect, how come it is even possible, that there is a being around somewhere, that is more powerful than humans, and is able to distract them from the way, the perfect god, had made for them. It almost seems as if the devil is at least a semi-god.
"Everybody chooses his/her way" couldn't be the answer, because if it's so perfect, we wouldn't have to choose, we would just believe and feel fulfillment in really that!! But hey, there are 7 world-religions - all people finding their fulfillment in whichever one they believe in. If you would have been born in Nepal, you wouldn't believe in the Bible.

How come the Bible is made up of some texts chosen from hundreds of them they could have selected. Ever heard of a certain text from Johannes, which was too apocalyptic and wasn't therefore added to the bible, because the document would have seemed too unbelievable.. ?! Are you aware, that the four gospels were written about 100 years after the whole Jesus - deal happened - and even hundreds of years later, the church sorted the "good" from "the bad" texts ....


Religion is dope for the vast majority.

Grace saved us, God's death saved us, and we were reborn and because of this we do good works.

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do you think then one who is not Christian burns in hell? some God that is...

heres my intrepretation - if one does good works, then he or she has already been reborn through grace

SwordofGod:

You make it sound as though atheists or anyone who belongs to the other 100s of religions do not do "Good Works".

Moral values are not an epiphenomenon of faith in the Bible and God...

I'm just happy that another Jesus freak has picked up the torch in lieu of the Rev dropping it...things were beginning to become stale in this forum.