Thread: A question to the christians.

ok sorry Leo. I will remember to do it in essay format next time.

Originally posted by Boris



ur welcome.

For what? Focus. Focus. Counter analysis.... Counter analysis.... You can do it! (Just kidding. You really can't.)

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Leo, out of both of those posts, I still don't see your explanation/opinion for what happened to people's souls before Christ. Talking about floods, the Sphinx, and pillaging villages doesn't seem related to the original question.

I try to let people to do a bit of thinking for themselves. One can write a complete book and do all the thinking, or one can make one relevent point and allow people to make all the correct inferences for themselves.

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So you don't know.

But if I need to explain...

What happens if Paul is the Antichrist?[/b]

totally unrelated.

And how can something perfect evolve? Why do you think humans (you in particular) are so great? Humans are just a part of god's creations. Why did he make other creatures if we are so perfect.

That's what most christians have against the evolution theory. I heard this dude say: 'With the evolution theory, we are degraded to mammals!'

so... you are one. Humans are not better then animals. Most chistians just have a big collective ego.

Heaven and hell doesn't exist!, the pope Juan Pablo II clarified this some years back. Now in Christs teaching he never spoke of hell, neither what would our souls specific destination after death be. The question you are asking is put in the wrong way, Acording to the Jewish religion a messiah is to come, back on the day of Christ, for some he was that messiah, for others not; for the ones that was, this messiah bought with him the new "word of God", and there for a new religion was set upon. So in any case if heaven or hell was suppose to exists, it would of have started to exist after this messiahs arrival, since god has dictated his new order. Case closed

Originally posted by Neruo



And how can something perfect evolve?

You Absolutists forget that you need to consider ALL the Absolutes.

Something may be indeed Perfect, but only Perfect in the Eternity of Time. Something may be Perfect but only when considered across all Infinity.

You cannot have an incomplete or momentary Perfection. Perfection must be Complete.

So if you think God is Screwing Up, well it is because you are only observing a small slice of the action in a very confined limit of a moment.

You are arguing Absolutes at the same time as you are being small minded. Apples and Oranges.

Originally posted by Neruo



And how can something perfect evolve?

You Absolutists forget that you need to consider ALL the Absolutes.

Something may be indeed Perfect, but only Perfect in the Eternity of Time. Something may be Perfect but only when considered across all Infinity.

You cannot have an incomplete or momentary Perfection. Perfection must be Complete.

So if you think God is Screwing Up, well it is because you are only observing a small slice of the action in a very confined limit of a moment.

You are arguing Absolutes at the same time as you are being small minded. Apples and Oranges.

Originally posted by Sortilegio
Heaven and hell doesn't exist!, the pope Juan Pablo II clarified this some years back. Now in Christs teaching he never spoke of hell, neither what would our souls specific destination after death be. The question you are asking is put in the wrong way, Acording to the Jewish religion a messiah is to come, back on the day of Christ, for some he was that messiah, for others not; for the ones that was, this messiah bought with him the new "word of God", and there for a new religion was set upon. So in any case if heaven or hell was suppose to exists, it would of have started to exist after this messiahs arrival, since god has dictated his new order. Case closed

The notion that Christ came to set up a new Religion was a lie told by Paul to the Greeks, so that the Greeks could go on continuing in their tradition of Anti-Jewish Anti-Semetism. If we recall what Christ said, it was that He had not come to destroy the Law and that while He had anything to do with it, "not one witt of the Law should pass". This meant the continuation of Judaism. His own 12 Apostles never discontinued their Judaic Traditons,and that is why I refer to Christ's True Church as Jewish Messianism. It was destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem.

If there is a New and Authentic Dispensation, it is not that of paul, but that of Mary. The Church of Paul has endlessly been caught up in scandal, catastrophe and ruin. It is synonymous with corruption. Whereas the Marian Orders have been the bulwarks of Penance, Asceticism, Contemplation and Righteousness -- the Vine of Christ with the Fruit of Miracles.

Im surprised any any Catholic should still be quoting Paulist Doctrines. It should have been a huge hint to All Catholics when are sworn Enemies blamed us for not following Paul closely enough and then declared Paul to be more the Word of God then the very words of Christ Himself.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


The notion that Christ came to set up a new Religion was a lie told by Paul to the Greeks, so that the Greeks could go on continuing in their tradition of Anti-Jewish Anti-Semetism. If we recall what Christ said, it was that He had not come to destroy the Law and that while He had anything to do with it, "not one witt of the Law should pass". This meant the continuation of Judaism. His own 12 Apostles never discontinued their Judaic Traditons,and that is why I refer to Christ's True Church as Jewish Messianism. It was destroyed with the destruction of Jerusalem.

If there is a New and Authentic Dispensation, it is not that of paul, but that of Mary. The Church of Paul has endlessly been caught up in scandal, catastrophe and ruin. It is synonymous with corruption. Whereas the Marian Orders have been the bulwarks of Penance, Asceticism, Contemplation and Righteousness -- the Vine of Christ with the Fruit of Miracles.

Im surprised any any Catholic should still be quoting Paulist Doctrines. It should have been a huge hint to All Catholics when are sworn Enemies blamed us for not following Paul closely enough and then declared Paul to be more the Word of God then the very words of Christ Himself.

Yeah, I get you there Leo, and I do agree that Jesus was here setting things straight on the Jewish religion, but after he died, everything was left for those who interpret and those with power, so pretty much "history is written by the winners".

Originally posted by Sortilegio


Yeah, I get you there Leo, and I do agree that Jesus was here setting things straight on the Jewish religion, but after he died, everything was left for those who interpret and those with power, so pretty much "history is written by the winners".

In this case Religious Theology was written by the worst set of thugs ruthless enough to lie and cheat their way into influence.

It reminds me of the Hare Krishna Movement in the United States. Sometime in the Seventies Prabupandi, the Founder of the Movement died, leaving a power vacuum. The main complex, their Capital was in Brindavan West Virginia. A local Sheriff and his deputies walked into the Board Room and machine gunned the existing Board of Directors of the Movement. and these thugs elected themselves as the New Leaders of the Hare Krishna Movement in America, and REALLY expected the satellite branches to continue sending in the Contributions.

But with Christianity, Peter, we would know him as "Rocky" (the name of a thug) took over after Christ was dead and gone, and immediately began killing the devotees while shaking them down. The Bible admits to the distortion. The people arose up and rejected Peter and elected Stephen. Peter retaliated by bringing in Paul to murder Stephen and then rewarded paul by assignint to him the Greeks and the formation of a Non-Jewish Church with a completely separate Doctrine from what Christ had taught. Peter and paul were like a couple of hick sheriffs in West Virginia who saw a criminal opportunity and took it. Humanity have been suffering ever since. Their own fault! If I can see through the Scam, so should everybody. I'm not that uniquely intelligent.

Jesus Leo you have got an exuse for everything.

Then again, if I would spend years and years finding Disproof of god and jesus I would sure as hell find alot more than the 'proof' you all ratherd.

Originally posted by Neruo
Jesus Leo you have got an exuse for everything.

Then again, if I would spend years and years finding Disproof of god and jesus I would sure as hell find alot more than the 'proof' you all ratherd.

Okay, we will just see how much you will be able to do with your years.

But I should warn you, 50 years ago at University I was semi-famous on Campus for my discernment. The Professors were often reading my papers aloud to the Class. It was remarked that I was finding previously unremarked dynamics and mechanisms in both my History Studies and in Anthropology, Sociology and Psychology. Few Professors ever conceded I was 'right' but they all found it thought provoking.

The years have only added to my inventory of anecdotes, facts, and readings.

But what are you starting with? You may live as many years as I do, but will you be looking with the same sharp discernment? Does you inquiry have the same penetration? I think you are flattering yourself that in years to come you will be able to comprise arguments to equal my own. Give a frog a thousand years and it still won't grow wings and fly. At most it might eat some flies.

Bon appetit.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Okay, we will just see how much you will be able to do with your years.

But I should warn you, 50 years ago at University I was semi-famous on Campus for my discernment. *The Professors were often reading my papers aloud to the Class. *It was remarked that I was finding previously unremarked dynamics and mechanisms in both my History Studies and in Anthropology, Sociology and Psychology. *Few Professors ever conceded I was 'right' but they all found it thought provoking. *

The years have only added to my inventory of anecdotes, facts, and readings.

But what are you starting with? *You may live as many years as I do, but will you be looking with the same sharp discernment? *Does you inquiry have the same penetration? * *I think you are flattering yourself that in years to come you will be able to comprise arguments to equal my own. *Give a frog a thousand years and it still won't grow wings and fly. * At most it might eat some flies. *

Bon appetit.

wow you are old.

Sucks.

I liked when Leo owned Nirvana.

Originally posted by ataraxis
I liked when Leo owned Nirvana.

Is that guy ever serious? Just about everything he sais is utter bullshit Depends on or He knows that too or it's funny if he gets owned ^___^