Originally posted by Tsen+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tsen)</div>
just to make room for a diety that has no reason to exist (since he/she/it isn't DOING anything for the moment.) Now, WHEN said diety DOES something, we'll have our reason, and science will move to compensate.[/b]
Your idea of a sole diety as god only, is inaccurate. Proving it is therefore irrevelant. That's the main point of what I was saying.


Originally posted by brady+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brady)</div>
Please explain to me how anything (other than the fact that you exist) can be known. I'd love to hear your thoughts.[/b]
I have a television. That is something that is known to me. I am sitting in front of a computer. Many other things are known to me. Those are a few very basic physical examples. If you say it could all be an illusion of perception. Well you can say life is an illusion, but you know we are living it now. Experiencing it. It is not really enlightening or useful to suggest everything is an illusion. When we experience things. Experience is real. Regardless if its a illusion

Why can only 1 thing be known. That I exist. This is the hole in your logic. You say nothing can be known. Yet I know this. If I know this. Why can I not know other things aswell. The main point here is I know this and things not simply by the mechanics of science. But through ones own mind and soul does one realize things. Such as I exist. I have experienced things, demonstrating truth. Saying nothing can be known and it is all an illusion. Doesn't mean anything useful, when the experience is lived.

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You're going to have to explain that one too. While you're at it, please demonstrate how any theory of God is falsifiable. If you don't know what that word means, look it up. Brady, asking how god is testably provable
Going with something that you understand, You exist. Now at the least. Since you know this much, you should be able to realize yourself as part of god. Since everything that exists is a part of it's consiousness and existence. Since you can do this from realizing yourself. God is falsifiable from what you cannot deny. [yourself, reality] You may not have obtained the degree of consiousness which another more evolved entity has obtained.
This does not mean that both entitys are not part of the same thing.
Nor does it mean you understand what the concept god implies. You think god is a seperate thing from yourself? It is simply stating that you cannot deny yourself and reality, and all that exists being god. It is obvious when you ask how god is falsifiable or to prove gods existence to you. That it is everything and everywhere. You being a part of it, within it, and connected to it. You need to understand the oneness princible.

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I am who I am
When people talk about "god" and worshipping god. What is mainly suppose to be involved is "the light and power of the soul" which is the wisdom and truth,that is god-consiousness perception. That is the life, way, truth, and eternal glory of god.