So I guess, "lucidity" really just came to be as a way to study dreams in a scientific context, but I must admit it helped create a strong dreamer community by giving clear goals (which were scientific, secular). I guess the values in our community are:

- Lucidity
- Variants of self-awareness and awareness of senses
- Memory
- Control
Those values are secular, individualistic and easier to measure.

I am not sure of the animistic/shaman values, potentially,
- Intuition
- Communication with spiritual realm
- Coming of age
These values or others come from the need for shamans to generally play a social role, I believe. I'd like to hear what other values I might of missed or values that both groups are lacking?

I think it is important to understand the values of our community... I mean, shaman traditions like any tradition is based on values. And dreamers are probably experiencing the same type of existentialist crisis as the broader population is in term of a more secular world struggling with maintaining more spiritual and less materialistic values.