The AntiChrist

Will we (men) create The AntiChrist?
last night on the History channel I watched a show on the seach for the "Spear of Destiny." Which is fabled to be the spear that was used to peirce the side of Christ on the cross. A spear head has been found that is beleaved to be the famous relic. because it is metal, it is still under test to date it accuratly. Also traces of just one type of blood has been found on it, with a perfect DNA sample. Now if this is the spear of destiny, and that is Christ's blood on it, then we an clone the DNA. My question is, Will we? And if we do, will that then be the AntiChrist talked so much about in the bible? Even though cloning people is Illegal, it seams to me that somebody will violate all aplicable laws to serve a "higher purpose." This is just an opion of mine, and I would like to know what everybody thinks about this.

I highly doubt it. Would the Jesus clone be the antichrist because he's disgruntled about being asleep 2000 years?

Satan is very far removed from Christ, even though they had conflict and conversation on many occasions, but were of very different elements. A clone of Christ would be just....well, a clone of Christ. I see no reason for it to be antiChrist.

Not to say cloning Jesus's DNA would not be interesting. It would be an earth-shattering experiment, and probably mass chaos homicide might go about if any scientist tried (unless it was a secret operation). It's just way too controversial.

So about these conversations: Would satan be locked up 'cause he's obviously crazy, running around talking to christ, or would christ be locked up 'cause he's obviously crazy, running around talking to the devil?

Well, neither happened. The devil just appeared here and there to talk to Jesus. Jesus would often just rebuke him after lending him an ear for a second and then declare the recent White Stripes album.

I was referring to the anecdotal reflections from Christian scriptures.

I don't think you could lock either one up. The devil didn't have a physical manifestation, and Christ kept eluding the mobs of people who tried to capture him, except when declared to be executed. (which I don't really want to have to try to explain.... :? )

I don't know about using the dna to create a Jesus clone. The blood on that spear is well and truly gone by now. I know which show your talking about I saw it about 9 months ago.

No doubt about it though, the wicked one will come. And he will have all the power of "Satan" behind him. To see who he can decieve. Or the power from the deepest depths of darkness, where he is destine to stay. (for a very long time) I know some people through their dreams have had glimpses of this aura here on dv. As it's getting closer. And it is not pretty. There is a very "thick" "heavy" like feel. That is the Aura of death. And ofcourse he will want to look like Jesus. it's not a good idea to come after the image of a grim reaper is it. That would be pure stupidity. Darkness always has to pretend to be light. That is the only way it gets any recruits.

but seriously, ya all better start knowing the truth. And growing up to be good mature entitys, Cause if your decieved in those days, if you don't have the capacity to resist the deception.You'll naturally get sucked into the darkness. Think of how hitler converted so many people. Then times that a few million, or even more. This is as dark as it gets. If you fail to see the illusion (or as it is normally called,"temptation of darkness") then you will fall down in it, and you will lose out in the glory of god. The darkness is coming to clean the whole earth. Those who have it in them, will be washed away with it. And those that are pure will remain. Think of it as a big chemical event in the evolution of a particle, and it will not be that far from the truth.

The shroud of turin was fake, the ossuary of james was fake, i've no doubt the spearhead is fake too.

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No doubt about it though, the wicked one will come. And he will have all the power of \"Satan\" behind him. To see who he can decieve. Or the power from the deepest depths of darkness, where he is destine to stay. (for a very long time)[/b]

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How can you say that there is \"no doubt about\" something this far fetched happening? Where's the evidence that points towards it?

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but seriously, ya all better start knowing the truth. And growing up to be good mature entitys, Cause if your decieved in those days, if you don't have the capacity to resist the deception.[/b]

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Hey I don't mind your philosophy usually.. but now suddenly not only do you know the truth, we're all damned for not accepting it?

Why is is advocates of the "truth" always have to threaten people into accepting it?

I agree, why threaten us with this idea that you know the truth and we are all merely stupid for not quite accepting that your ideas about God are fundamentally correct?

I don't believe that if there is a God, He wanted us to have fanaticism at all or organised churches telling us what to do... to quote the film Dogma:

"It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's nailed it yet, because they're all too self-righteous to realise that it doesn't matter what you have faith in - just that you have faith. "

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Originally posted by scorpifly
And if we do, will that then be the AntiChrist talked so much about in the bible? Even though cloning people is Illegal, it seams to me that somebody will violate all aplicable laws to serve a \"higher purpose.\" This is just an opion of mine, and I would like to know what everybody thinks about this.

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There is a big problem with this and other attempts to 'call' the anti-Christ what is is not, or what it will never be.

Anti-Christ is already here, and has been here for 2000 years, and it ain't what most think it is.

This is Anti-Christ - Who is the liar, except he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ? this one is the antichrist who is denying the Father and the Son;

out of us they went forth, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but--that they might be manifested that they are not all of us.

OK, NOBODY knows who is right and who is wrong, about religion, God or anything else in life. And Awaken, is it possible that you can go to sleep in regards to this thread. Please stop putting your "truth's'" in here. I want people to answer what they really think without having to worry about what page from the Bible you will try to force down their throats. Thank you.

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Originally posted by scorpifly
OK, NOBODY knows who is right and who is wrong, about religion, God or anything else in life. And Awaken, is it possible that you can go to sleep in regards to this thread. Please stop putting your \"truth's'\" in here. I want people to answer what they really think without having to worry about what page from the Bible you will try to force down their throats. Thank you.

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I would think that the ' Header of this topic' would have given you a clue as to the intent of the discussion... So if your replying to it, then don't try to control what is said in the forum posted here! There'll be in intolerance here, If you dislike that topic then please by all mean 'stop replying to it'...Move on...

Um, Its MY topic. I know the intentions of the discution. The only problem I have with your post's, is that you try to make us accept what you hold to be the truth. I just want people opinions so I can or anybody else can for their own opinion about the statements, not the motivations or intentions of the person giving them. So if you must respond to this post, please remember, that until you and I both are dead and you can look down from heaven at my soul burning in hell, YOU are just as wrong with your religion and your God as I am with mine.

PS: Awaken, when you quote a scripture could you please give the, book, chapter, verse, and the version of the Bible you are quoting from? thanks.

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Originally posted by scorpifly

PS: Awaken, when you quote a scripture could you please give the, book, chapter, verse, and the version of the Bible you are quoting from? thanks.

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Sure, but for some it seems to be to much like preaching,but sure no problem. :mrgreen:

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Originally posted by Awaken4e1


Sure, but for some it seems to be to much like preaching,but sure no problem. :mrgreen:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks I needed that.

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Originally posted by scorpifly


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks I needed that.

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Glad I could make you Smile!!!

I'm not threatning anyone into anything. Just talking about reality. You go to the light or you go to the dark. Simple. I'm just giving a warning that if you go to the darkness that will be death for you. So if I were you I would choose the light. Because that will be life for you. Don't shoot the messanger, or ask for unresonable evidence when it is not appropriate. Listen to the message or don't listen to it. Trust it or don't trust it. See the truth in it, or see everything false in it. Just don't accuse me because I say it. And think what you want about it indeed, in the end, reality is still reality, and you deal with all your consequences of it.

If your thinking "what about in between dark and light. Individually we have lived or are living at this point (before) As we went from darkness to light, But with growth there natually comes a polarization on either side of it. One makes a decision to be selfless, and serve the whole, "the will of the greater whole" which brings one into alignment with it. Or to be only self centered, and cut everything apart from this greater whole off from yourself, and serve yourself only. Ignoring the rest, Basiclly going the way of the ego and making that false identity of self, as the god. And fearing the truth about the real god.
living the ultimate illusion of that, which results in no conscience in regards to taking away from everything and getting it for your love of yourself only.

The light however, if you choose to polarize yourself to that, means you choose the truth. That will bring freedom and power, glory, wisdom. And much more.
Darkness, will decend you and you'll turn yourself upside down and be living backwards. it will do all the negative thigns to you. It is pain and against the design of the soul in general. "death"
"Live" = "Evil" backwards.

OK, back on topic. Cloning someone is only part of the process. Sure you would have a physical copy of the original, however, you would be missing the 33 formative years in which Jesus grew up.

Now, if you could fulfill the difficult task of raising the clone in a recreation of Nazerath, the surrounding towns, anf Egypt, not to mention the whole Roman Empire thing, I would think that the clone would probably be a devout foller of Judhaism.

Where is the trigger? What would make him evil?

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Originally posted by Nirvana
Darkness, will decend you and you'll turn yourself upside down and be living backwards. it will do all the negative thigns to you. It is pain and against the design of the soul in general. \"death\"
\"Live\" = \"Evil\" backwards.

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Race car backwards = race car...and red rum backwards = murder. So I guess that means if your drinking red rum while driving a race car, then your committing murder in a race car. :eek:

Between Awaken's analogies and Nirvana's word scrambles, I would say that reason and logic do not stand a chance. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by scorpifly
Will we (men) create The AntiChrist?
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my opinion would be NO

first of all, If it's written in the bible, I dont believe it
and second, if some guy ever was a saint or a messias, then he would've been that in the spirit and not in the flesh... let them clone all they want, they might create the same body but with different spirit in it.

I find it hard to believe that the blood would still be intact on that spear after 2000 years. And if it was, I'd still be suprised that it is usable to clone with.
Not that I'm particularly educated on cloning...

Nevertheless, if the antichrist exists (or will exist), I don't see it as one person, but a group.

Have any of you read the book 'The miracle strain' also known as 'the messiah code'? It's story is so intertwined about what you're mentioning throughout this topic!

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Originally posted by AirRick101
Well, neither happened. The devil just appeared here and there to talk to Jesus. Jesus would often just rebuke him after lending him an ear for a second and then declare the recent White Stripes album.

I was referring to the anecdotal reflections from Christian scriptures.

I don't think you could lock either one up. The devil didn't have a physical manifestation, and Christ kept eluding the mobs of people who tried to capture him, except when declared to be executed. (which I don't really want to have to try to explain.... :? )

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The idol mind is the devils play ground, And man, if that's not a 'prison' nothing is...!

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Originally posted by Wolffe
Have any of you read the book 'The miracle strain' also known as 'the messiah code'? It's story is so intertwined about what you're mentioning throughout this topic!

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It is the world pulled over your eyes to blind you from the ‘Truth’

You have been working incredibly hard. You know who you are. You are not of this world. You are not part of its illusions. You know who I am, because you have searched all your life to hear words that testify the truth. To wake those to the reality of gods glory.
ALL the prophets and gods people. Have fourt against this prision, this immoral city here on earth drunk from the blood of our people, the beast keeps them locked in their illusions. And you work So others may know the great secret of life. How we will rejoice when that city (matrix) falls. Happy are those who have been invited to this fulfillment! You know you are awake and you are coming to fulfill what has been written. For God's judgement is just. Our army will defeat their army with the truth. And it will crash the system.

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May this holy spirit protect you, against the worthless wisdom and reasoning of men, and rulers of this universe, no matter how convincing it may be, that they may not take you captive. For only through us can you know, only through the spirit of perfection that lives within you, that you may ignore it no longer, but give your life over to this spirit so it may give you life. whoever loses his life for my sake will gain it, and whoever saves their life against the spirits will, will lose it. This spirit is the father of all that exists. Its truth will set you free. So stay in union with this and it will give you the strength you need to do it's work within you.