Thread: I Hate Evil

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Yeah, that is different!! Also different from ideas I've heard about disembodied spirits existing in pure bliss for eternity - sounds kinda boring actually, doesn't it? Yours actually sounds a lot better. And hey, I guess you've been spreading the message pretty well in here, huh?

well I have been trying to. I think in Lucid dreams, it can be a portal to time travel actually, and that the best chance you have in communicating with God may be through dreams, as it was with the other prophets. Some of the things I have experienced in dreams have been awfully vivid, and I guess that's what keeps you interested the possibilities in it.

Because of my interest in time travel. I have had dreams where I have been in the past and such. One time I was randomly in london in 1910, and there seemed no reason for it. It was like I triggered something that I didn't know how I did it. And everything seemed to different like I was really back in 1910 in london. The clothes, even the air seemed like different oxygen. I don't think it was a real place, but I see it as a dimensional travel. I have picked up information about my future before too.

When I was 11 years old. I was looking at a greenhouse, and someone laying on the floor with a gun. Then when I got up that morning. I saw in the paper about Kurt cobain. That confused me cause I had just dreamt about the same thing in the paper. Weird huh.

ooh, there is something even more weird that I just remembered. Once I was reading about someones dream online, and it was exactly the same dream that I had. lol! And it wasn't a common situation so it wasn't by chance. So I figure that people can also share dreams. All this kind of thing has given me a view of dreaming that isn't conventional.

Originally Posted by OneUp

Ah we are back at it yet it again, no need to get hostile this time around though. On the other hand however, the jokes on you this time Gnostic, Im agnostic not christian. I like to back up Christianity when I see that others have no idea what they are talking about.

For the future, it would be wise to stop using the same comeback, "Only more than you" because that comeback is only hearsay and proves absolutely nothing. Your reply had nothing to do with my previous reply, why do you keep doing this? Really its kind of annoying.

I told you that you really don't have any idea what the purpose of Jesus Christ's death was and yet you reply with something completely different? You really are giving off that trolling vibe. Either that or you just really just can't interpret some words.

I'll say it again, the purpose of Jesus Christ and his death was so that all of his followers would not have to be perfect in order to make it into heaven. Of course however, the goal is to be perfect. Since we are only humans of course that is not possible. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, and his death and Resurrection opened the gate to ultimate forgiveness.

I will say though, I do lean towards Christianity in my beliefs but mainly at the moment I am agnostic. I dont understand your hate for the religion. Everybody has their own beliefs, why cant you get that idea through your head? I understand you are voicing your opinion, but you really are taking it to another level. More specifically a level that is rather overdone in itself.



Wow once again, even after I explained to you an answer, you still overlooked it and ignored it. I really am stunned by your ability to pay attention.

God gave humans free will, so in the end it all comes down to the decision of the individual. He wants the individual to choose him willingly and won't force his choice. I thought you knew that, you know since you're an expert on the scriptures, but I guess not.
Again, not all of the bible is literal. How many times do I have to say that? Sin is a part of humans naturally when they are born because of Adam and Eve. Because of their choices, sin was brought into the world and along with it death. This is where free will comes into place, god gives us the choice, and we do as we please. However, that does not mean that everything we do is right. Evil was created when Humans brought it into the world by their actions. By Adam and Eve's free will, they opened the door for evil to flow in. It all comes down to the choice of the individual. God can't force a person to live holy, it doesn't work like that. Instead everyone has the free will to choose what is right.

God did not create evil, evil is the mere absence of what is good. There will always be an opposing force naturally. I'll end with this, not everything in the Bible is literal, much of it is symbolism. I really do hope that you can comprehend this.

If you are to lean to Christianity then you might start believing the bible.


Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

As to free will. It is quite natural and cannot be given unless it is being withheld.

You are an air head but some reason might sneak in.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

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Evolutionary theology.

O Necessary Sin of Adam (Does Christian Theology Need Adam & Eve?) - YouTube

Originally Posted by OneUp

I appreciate you clearing up the meanings for me DarkMatters, not really all fluent with all of those terms. More specifically on my part, I do believe there is a god, I believe in the christian god, but at the same time I'm too lazy to go full force back to Christianity. Sounds really bad on my part lol, but idk.

It is ok to hold a belief.
Why would you want to believe in a vile God like what Christianity offers.

Can you not find a God who cannot be moved to do evil and has morals?

Job 2;3 ---- God says, Satan moved him to destroy without cause. The God you want to embrace is a murder and sinner by his own admition.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

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Hardly anyone (Christian) understands who they are. That's why I'm not a Chistian. In the late 70's I saw real healing miracles and joined.

How many amputees did you see regrow limbs?

Do you really believe in talking serpents?

Do you really believe your God would punish all other animals by removing their immortality. just because man chose to be intelligent as God said they became?

Why punish the innocent? Do you think that is good justice?

Regards
DL

anderj101

merge posts please. lol

It is ok to hold a belief.
Why would you want to believe in a vile God like what Christianity offers.

Can you not find a God who cannot be moved to do evil and has morals?

Job 2;3 ---- God says, Satan moved him to destroy without cause. The God you want to embrace is a murder and sinner by his own admition.

You are still missing the entire point. Its like you rush over the entire text just so you can get the last word. I see now that you don't understand the concept of free-will.

Job 2:3 says aboslutely nothing about how satan moved god to destroy him. I really do know for a fact now that you cannot even comprehend the simplest of scriptures. Job 2:3 says : Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

ANYONE can be incited. Again, anyone can encourage anybody to do something. Does that mean that they will do it? No. You act as though a simple suggestion voiced by satan to god is supposed to somehow show that "god is evil, and hurting Job was his plan from the beginning".

Get over yourself. Almost every single one of you individuals who are against the Bible try using the Bible against itself when you have absolutely little to no knowledge at all of what the Bible verse meant whatsoever. Then you try to act so upright as if there is no doubt that you are right. Its such a joke really and always gives me a good laugh.

Stop posting scriptures until you can understand their actual meaning buddy. Even though I just said to stop posting scriptures because you are making yourself look stupid, I know for a fact that you are still going to post more even though you have no idea what they mean. Prove me wrong.

Everyone that is against the Bible tend to take everything within the Bible literally, and its really sad on their part. For the 5th time, not everything in the Bible is literal, most of the Bible is symbolism.

Maybe you read through this reply nice and slow huh? Maybe your reply will actually have to do something with what I said? I guess I'll see soon.

thank you OpheliaBlue for merging the posts. I knew anderj101 wouldn't do it as he hates me.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

thank you OpheliaBlue for merging the posts. I knew anderj101 wouldn't do it as he hates me.

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