Thread: I Hate Evil

Originally Posted by snoop

If you can't accept the fact that it's your fault that evil is all around you everywhere you go then you are going to be miserable for the rest of your life.

It's my fault someone in another country that I don't even live in is getting raped? So if I change my perception (turn a blind eye to it?) suddenly the world is lollypops, rabbits and rainbows? I don't cotton candy things cause I'm not willy wonka. Wouldn't this make you a......(you'll want to lock the thread) There is evil in the world. It doesn't mean you have to be miserable if you understood the gospel message (which you don't even believe in) then you wouldn't be miserable.

Originally Posted by MrPriority

Perhaps I am just wasting my time here.

Perhaps but for evil thinking to grow, all good people like us need do is nothing.

Remember that you are also read by the lurkers and in a sense, that is our target and not the one we address.

Remember the butterfly effect as we get closer to the tipping point of non-belief over belief that is est. at 2050.

We just bring that date closer.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

The only possible valid response to come out of this insanity is to do with Isaiah 45:7 which states;
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"

Now Just because God created evil, doesn't mean that he is directly responsible for evil. It doesn't even make God Evil. It doesn't mean he likes evil. It doesn't mean he wants us to enjoy evil. .

I cut the rest as you cannot know what motivates God.

As to the above, this quote is interesting.

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


You say God creates evil to satisfy his wrath, yet that scripture says he creates evil for his pleasure.

Care to speak to that?

I can show why God would enjoy seeing evil manifest itself, if I can say it that way, can you?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Gnostic

Perhaps but for evil thinking to grow, all good people like us need do is nothing.

Remember that you are also read by the lurkers and in a sense, that is our target and not the one we address.

Remember the butterfly effect as we get closer to the tipping point of non-belief over belief that is est. at 2050.

We just bring that date closer.

Regards
DL

what are you talking about dude. 2050? We are in 2014.

I find it insulting that you call my thinking "Evil".

There is a great deal of freedom in my type of thinking. You don't have to restrict yourself to dogma. You don't have to believe something just because someone or some institute tells you to believe in it. You only have one authority and it's a legitimate one. You can think about things for yourself and decide your own faith and conclusions. You of your own free choice decide to follow the truth. That isn't evil, that's recognizing the son of God as Jesus Christ. The true authority. If you got the holy spirit who can defeat you in the end? If God is going to be on your side, and the other person makes you their enemy, they are truly screwed.

I think when you said about 2050. A future date that has nothing to do with this discussion, that is really when you discredited yourself.

Are we time travelers?

Originally Posted by snoop

I didn't say it wouldn't exist, I said that if you stopped seeing it everywhere it would disappear... for you. Reality for you is just your internal model for it, making it real for you. If you stop looking for evil everywhere and stop trying to find it in everything you see, even if it seems like it is exposing itself to you, then the world won't be such an evil place. If you can't accept the fact that it's your fault that evil is all around you everywhere you go then you are going to be miserable for the rest of your life. You have to look for the good in everything because it can be easy to miss. You seem more than happy (perhaps that's a poor choice of words, oh well) to be miserable though so go right ahead man, be as miserable as you want.

Perhaps our friend should listen to reality.

I cannot link as yet but please Google ---Doug Stanhope: Voice of America - FEAR IN THE U.S. NEWS

Please imbed it if you think he should see it.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

what are you talking about dude. 2050? We are in 2014.

I find it insulting that you call my thinking "Evil".

There is a great deal of freedom in my type of thinking. You don't have to restrict yourself to dogma. You don't have to believe something just because someone or some institute tells you to believe in it. You only have one authority and it's a legitimate one. You can think about things for yourself and decide your own faith and conclusions. You of your own free choice decide to follow the truth. That isn't evil, that's recognizing the son of God as Jesus Christ. The true authority. If you got the holy spirit who can defeat you in the end? If God is going to be on your side, and the other person makes you their enemy, they are truly screwed.

You prove my words my friend. To literally believe in Jesus, you have to embrace the notion that a judge who sets and accepts bribes and sacrifices is somehow a good judge.

Tell us. Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

You are totally missing my point Deanstar. If not for the news or for the knowledge that it is always (probably) happening, you don't know what's happening all the way across the world. I'm saying you are letting the world control you. You are letting the world control how you choose to feel and act. It's so easy to turn it around and instead, you be the reason you feel a certain emotion, or decide to do something. Quit letting other people grab you by the nuts and take you for whatever ride they feel like taking you for and get a grip on yourself. You might look at the world with renewed hope, maybe restored faith. I couldn't tell you, because it's up to you to do. But letting the world control you and then bitching about it isn't going to get anything done. Taking control of yourself is the first step in changing things, and not just yourself--but potentially the world. Not the whole world, there isn't a reason you have to be unrealistic, but you could make a difference in other peoples lives but instead you throw it away because evil "upsets you too much". Get over it and do something about it or shut up.

you are making up your own definitions. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins isn't a "bribe" it's a gift. You don't have to accept it. But you would be a bit of an _____ if you didn't. I would rule the one true creator just. He has the entitlement over creation and law itself for being the creator. From my relationship with Jesus, I wouldn't trust anyone else with my life, and I don't know anyone that has greater love or wisdom or righteousness. He is first. That's the foundation of worship, the purpose of all life.

Originally Posted by snoop

you could make a difference in other peoples lives but instead you throw it away because evil "upsets you too much". Get over it and do something about it or shut up.

I'm making a statement that I don't like Evil. That's a good step to commiting to it's destruction. Atleast I said it. You complain cause I said it and you start throwing accusations around. That would make you the one that is being manipulated cause someone says oh "evil exists i hate it" and you get irritated and argue about it. Everything you say about me can apply more easily to yourself.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

you are making up your own definitions. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins isn't a "bribe" it's a gift. You don't have to accept it. But you would be a bit of an _____ if you didn't. I would rule the one true creator just. He has the entitlement over creation and law itself for being the creator. From my relationship with Jesus, I wouldn't trust anyone else with my life, and I don't know anyone that has greater love or wisdom or righteousness. He is first. That's the foundation of worship, the purpose of all life.

Poor semantics. Be it sacrifice, ransom or bribe, they are all the same when God demands anything from us.

Who told God to accept that gift and change his condemnation to forgiveness?

Who made God go from his usual justice, ---- that being the punishment of the evil, to his accepting as justice the punishment of the good?

As above so below.

You are to emulate your God in all things. Do you think you should accept as just the punishment the innocent like God did or do you think we should punish the innocent?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

I'm making a statement that I don't like Evil. That's a good step to commiting to it's destruction. Atleast I said it. You complain cause I said it and you start throwing accusations around. That would make you the one that is being manipulated cause someone says oh "evil exists i hate it" and you get irritated and argue about it. Everything you say about me can apply more easily to yourself.

Are you not suppose to be as perfect as your God?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If yes, then why do you not enjoy evil as he does?
Why do you put your likes above your God's and break the first commandment?

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Regards
DL

Are you not suppose to be as perfect as your God?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It really does stun me how you constantly misunderstand the scriptures. Please dont make yourself look like a fool, I would advise that you stop posting scriptures. You obviously have no clue whatsoever of the purpose Jesus Christ. He died so that his followers would not have to be perfect. Once again, not everything in the Bible is literal. Wow yea I'd have to agree, you really do know alot about the Bible don't you?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

It honestly is not possible for anyone to have such incredibly poor reasoning or comprehension skills (which Deanstar continues to demonstrate endlessly). Complete troll. I'd say stop wasting you time trying to reason with him but I suppose at least it's entertainment of a sort.

Normally I would tend to agree with you but I know a lot of people in real life that would probably be even worse than him so for me it's more fun to keep arguing. Is that wrong? Maybe. ;(

I've got a question for you Deanstar. If a person were really pure evil, and he came knocking on your door, but did not threaten to harm you in any way, is your hate for him truly so strong that you would shoot him in the face? You know it wouldn't end evil altogether, but you know you would be killing a little part of it. Is that what you would choose to do? Or would you let him/it live despite your hate?

So if you are debating a Christian, then you are allowed to call them things like trolls and stupid. I don't remember seeing that in the guidelines of the forum? They get unfairy applied to me, but someone else gets away with it just because.....this is what I mean about double standards.

Originally Posted by OneUp

He died so that his followers would not have to be perfect. Once again, not everything in the Bible is literal.

The ideal is to be perfect. It's like if you are painting a picture, you want it to be a perfect piece of art, but it won't live up to that, but that's the ideal. I don't expect him to understand the scriptures, definitely not here to teach him cause his mind is closed lol

Originally Posted by snoop

Normally I would tend to agree with you but I know a lot of people in real life that would probably be even worse than him so for me it's more fun to keep arguing. Is that wrong? Maybe. ;(

I've got a question for you Deanstar. If a person were really pure evil, and he came knocking on your door, but did not threaten to harm you in any way, is your hate for him truly so strong that you would shoot him in the face? You know it wouldn't end evil altogether, but you know you would be killing a little part of it. Is that what you would choose to do? Or would you let him/it live despite your hate?

Jesus said love your enemies. So I don't hate people. That would be against his commandment. It's bizaree how basic things, you do not understand. I hate evil that doesn't mean I would shoot someone in the face for knocking on my door. If they did something evil, I would hate what they did. I hate most of the replies on this forum section. That's why I think I should go into another forum section now.

I deleted my original message (though it still shows where Snoop quoted it) and I apologize.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

I deleted my original message (though it still shows where Snoop quoted it) and I apologize.

atleast you apologized, just wish it was to do with your disbelief, rather than something trivial.

Deanstar

This is a tough forum. But it is huge and many folk are reading what you write. "Views" don't register if the viewer is not logged-in. So, you are reaching a bigger audience than you know. Patiently, soldier- on.

Here are 18 Bible verses, Deanstar, that agree with your stand to hate evil but love the evil doer (for Christ's sake).

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What Does the Bible Say About Hate The Sin Love The Sinner?

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Originally Posted by OneUp

It really does stun me how you constantly misunderstand the scriptures. Please dont make yourself look like a fool, I would advise that you stop posting scriptures. You obviously have no clue whatsoever of the purpose Jesus Christ. He died so that his followers would not have to be perfect. Once again, not everything in the Bible is literal. Wow yea I'd have to agree, you really do know alot about the Bible don't you?

More than yourself.

Your reliance on Jesus shows how immoral you are.

Would you emulate your God as your bible says you should and have your son murdered or would you do the right thing and step up yourself?

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

Christ is Back in Christmas! - YouTube

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

Deanstar

This is a tough forum. But it is huge and many folk are reading what you write. "Views" don't register if the viewer is not logged-in. So, you are reaching a bigger audience than you know. Patiently, soldier- on.

Here are 18 Bible verses, Deanstar, that agree with your stand to hate evil but love the evil doer (for Christ's sake).

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What Does the Bible Say About Hate The Sin Love The Sinner?

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If God loves the sinner and hates the sin, why is it those he loves that he sensds to hell and not the sin he hates?

Further, if God hates sin and evil, what do scriptures mean when they say he creates them for his pleasure?

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Why is God doing evil and sinning if he does not like sin and evil?

Regards
DL

More than yourself.

Your reliance on Jesus shows how immoral you are.

Would you emulate your God as your bible says you should and have your son murdered or would you do the right thing and step up yourself?

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

Christ is Back in Christmas! - YouTube

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Ah we are back at it yet it again, no need to get hostile this time around though. On the other hand however, the jokes on you this time Gnostic, Im agnostic not christian. I like to back up Christianity when I see that others have no idea what they are talking about.

For the future, it would be wise to stop using the same comeback, "Only more than you" because that comeback is only hearsay and proves absolutely nothing. Your reply had nothing to do with my previous reply, why do you keep doing this? Really its kind of annoying.

I told you that you really don't have any idea what the purpose of Jesus Christ's death was and yet you reply with something completely different? You really are giving off that trolling vibe. Either that or you just really just can't interpret some words.

I'll say it again, the purpose of Jesus Christ and his death was so that all of his followers would not have to be perfect in order to make it into heaven. Of course however, the goal is to be perfect. Since we are only humans of course that is not possible. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, and his death and Resurrection opened the gate to ultimate forgiveness.

I will say though, I do lean towards Christianity in my beliefs but mainly at the moment I am agnostic. I dont understand your hate for the religion. Everybody has their own beliefs, why cant you get that idea through your head? I understand you are voicing your opinion, but you really are taking it to another level. More specifically a level that is rather overdone in itself.

If God loves the sinner and hates the sin, why is it those he loves that he sensds to hell and not the sin he hates?

Further, if God hates sin and evil, what do scriptures mean when they say he creates them for his pleasure?

Wow once again, even after I explained to you an answer, you still overlooked it and ignored it. I really am stunned by your ability to pay attention.

God gave humans free will, so in the end it all comes down to the decision of the individual. He wants the individual to choose him willingly and won't force his choice. I thought you knew that, you know since you're an expert on the scriptures, but I guess not.
Again, not all of the bible is literal. How many times do I have to say that? Sin is a part of humans naturally when they are born because of Adam and Eve. Because of their choices, sin was brought into the world and along with it death. This is where free will comes into place, god gives us the choice, and we do as we please. However, that does not mean that everything we do is right. Evil was created when Humans brought it into the world by their actions. By Adam and Eve's free will, they opened the door for evil to flow in. It all comes down to the choice of the individual. God can't force a person to live holy, it doesn't work like that. Instead everyone has the free will to choose what is right.

God did not create evil, evil is the mere absence of what is good. There will always be an opposing force naturally. I'll end with this, not everything in the Bible is literal, much of it is symbolism. I really do hope that you can comprehend this.

Originally Posted by OneUp

Im agnostic not christian.

Agnostic and Christian are not mutually exclusive. Somehow people got the notion that it's a middle position between religious and atheist (it isn't), or that it means Undecided (it doesn't). Theism refers to belief while gnosticism refers to knowledge, so a theist is a believer in some religion or god, while an atheist is someone with no such belief, the prefix A meaning not or without, as in amoral. While an agnostic is essentially someone who doesn't know there is a god. Correct me if I got the details skewed Gnostic, I'm sure you know the definition much better than I do.

Technically the vast majority of Christians and Atheists are all agnostic. We mostly admit that, while we may have particular beliefs or lack of them concerning god or religion, we don't really know for sure. That's why they're called beliefs after all - if it was a known fact then it would be silly to have a belief about it. Since the existence and nature of a god is something beyond our ability to investigate scientifically and must be taken entirely on faith, then the terms theist and atheist are the truly relevant ones. As for knowledge, as I say, most people admit there's no way we could be sure (short of said god somehow revealing himself in a way that constitutes proof positive, which he never has and doesn't seem interested in doing).

I call myself an agnostic atheist when I want to be precise, though generally just an atheist. The agnostic part is assumed since that's what basically everybody is. A person who claims to know there is or isn't a God is just making claims - that doesn't mean he really does know, and in most cases it's obviously really nothing more than a strong belief.

I suspect the reason Christians who leave the fold refer to themselves as agnostic rather than atheist is because within the Christian community in general the term atheist is reviled about as much as satanist, while agnostic carries no such negative connotations. So essentially 1^, whether you refer to yourself as such or not, you technically are an atheist if you don't believe in God.

I should add that people also have a basic misconception about the term atheist, that it means you absolutely believe there is no God. Not true. Rather it quite simply means you have no belief in a God, which is quite a different matter.

The more absolute proposition (that there definitely is no God) is actually a special form of atheism called Strong Atheism, and the base condition of lacking belief can either just be called atheism or if you want to be technical weak atheism.

Here - this article actually explains it in detail.
And here is a page on agnosticism.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Agnostic and Christian are not mutually exclusive. So essentially 1^, whether you refer to yourself as such or not, you technically are an atheist if you don't believe in God.

I should add that people also have a basic misconception about the term atheist, that it means you absolutely believe there is no God. Not true. Rather it quite simply means you have no belief in a God, which is quite a different matter.

The more absolute proposition (that there definitely is no God) is actually a special form of atheism called Strong Atheism, and the base condition of lacking belief can either just be called atheism or if you want to be technical weak atheism.

I appreciate you clearing up the meanings for me DarkMatters, not really all fluent with all of those terms. More specifically on my part, I do believe there is a god, I believe in the christian god, but at the same time I'm too lazy to go full force back to Christianity. Sounds really bad on my part lol, but idk.

Oh ok, then I guess you're a non-practicing Christian. Lol, or just a Christian who's too lazy to go to church?

Untitled Note

Hardly anyone (Christian) understands who they are. That's why I'm not a Chistian. In the late 70's I saw real healing miracles and joined. But after 4 years I slipped away cos my mum and several other friends died. The paster (my bible teacher) went to America for 20 years and the church moved from a warehouse (where I lived) to a newly built complex far away.

Anyway

In Genesis chapter one (the myth states) everything God created, he created immortal. After the "Fall" all his creatures began to age (and would finally die). When niether Eve or Adam would Talk to him about what caused this disaster, God immediately began devising a plan to redeem all creation, so it could get its everlasting life back.

No animal got old, weak, sick or died before "the Fall".

To show how God would redeem creation God killed and skinned two animals and covered Adam and Eves sin (bodies) with the hides of his once beautiful and eternal animals.

Remember Genisis Chapter One, Man ate friut and herbs, everything else ate greenery. All animals, insects, fish etc were strictly vegetarian.

God was the first to kill anything. He did it to promise that He himeself would, oneday, find a way to incarnated, as a mortal, shed his blood, and use his own blood (through suffering and death) to permanently cover the sin that brought old age, sickness and death into his Beloved creation.

Jesus was that God.

It was an impossible concept to get through to his beloved creation. Remember, Jesus was crucified because he committed the unforgivable crime of saying He and his father were One. In short he was revealing that it was only a metaphor that he was the Son-of-God. Jesus said

I Am that I Am - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus had to go around the fact that he was the creator God because there was no such concept in Jewdaism.

A human gets to heaven by becoming one-in-Crist because Christ is one-in-the-creator-God.

As a result of becoming one-in-Jesus-Christ, Christians can do everything that Christ (and God) can do. Heal the sick, raise the dead.

Jesus (God) took the full disaster of the "Fall" upon himself on the cross. Those who accept this (and die to the flesh) are saved from the consequences of "the fall" which was the loss of immortality.

John 14 verses 9-14

9) - *Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10) - *Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11*Believe me that

I am in the Father,

and

the Father in me:

or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12*Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

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Some Christians live that level of Christianity. I saw a church grow from 50 in the pasters living room to 2,000 in an industrial warehouse, in 5 years. The miracles were real. The teaching was out-of-this-world, but all backed up from Jesus words, in the Bible.

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13*And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14*If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Oh ok, then I guess you're a non-practicing Christian. Lol, or just a Christian who's too lazy to go to church?

Why is it that you always think being a christian is about going to sunday church? lmao. That is the least of a christians problem. Sunday is not even the holy day, it's saturday. You can easily fulfil everything in the bible without even attending a church building. A church is actually a congregation of believers and has nothing to do with a sunday service. That is a roman catholic creation that ultimately goes back to the roman empire. They tried to imitate their own version of it with the pope.

Anyway. No use being lukewarm in the end cause it counts for zero. Either be for Jesus fully 100% or not. Nothing in between. Just a little footnote you should realize if you are against the Lord (the one of the bible) you have to burn into ashes. If you are ok with that, that's not for me to judge. I have a lot of things I want to achieve in eternity, and not ready to burn into ash just yet.

Hmmm… there's something interesting. What kinds of things do Creationists believe can be accomplished in eternity? What is the afterlife supposed to be like? I'm really curious, not trying to bait you.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hmmm… there's something interesting. What kinds of things do Creationists believe can be accomplished in eternity? What is the afterlife supposed to be like? I'm really curious, not trying to bait you.

It sounds like this is a bait question....

I guess you think that I plan to sit on a cloud with a harp forever?

Hahaha! Well, that image did pop into my head, but I know that was never really what heaven was supposed to be like, just a Hollywood convention. Come on, you brought this up by saying there are things you want to accomplice - I'm not asking what your particular goals are, just in general what kinds of things can a person accomplish in the afterlife? It's hard to imagine. I thought it would be nice for us to actually be able to talk about something without arguing for once.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hahaha! Well, that image did pop into my head, but I know that was never really what heaven was supposed to be like, just a Hollywood convention. Come on, you brought this up by saying there are things you want to accomplice - I'm not asking what your particular goals are, just in general what kinds of things can a person accomplish in the afterlife? It's hard to imagine. I thought it would be nice for us to actually be able to talk about something without arguing for once.

I wouldn't call it the afterlife. In my view you are either dead or alive. There's no 'afterlife' at all. (probaly one thing as an atheist you have in common with me) I think the difference is when Jesus Christ takes his kingdom, that I won't have a body that is genetically messed up that can be destroyed after the resurrection. So I will become immortal, that is the redemption and the promise. From there it's likely something to do with the holy city of Jerusalem. I don't think I have been that Good at spreading the gospel message, or that my life is picture perfect. I'll just be happy to even be allowed in the city. If you make it that far and are still alive, then I guess you will eventually see what happens. It won't be like it is now. My life is basically the opposite of what I want it to be as. If I had it my way I would be some sort of musical genius. That's only for starters. Definitely better than anything hollywood ever came up with.

One of the first things requested after immortality, is time travel. I'm not sure when that will be granted, but it would have to be after Satan is in lake of fire. If you think about it. As a time traveler I could have already reached that point, and gone back here to tell you about it. How would you know? A bit different of a response than harp in the sky lol