I Hate Evil

**Deanstar** · 08-31-2014 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

If you can't accept the fact that it's your fault that evil is all around you everywhere you go then you are going to be miserable for the rest of your life.

It's my fault someone in another country that I don't even live in is getting raped? So if I change my perception (turn a blind eye to it?) suddenly the world is lollypops, rabbits and rainbows? I don't cotton candy things cause I'm not willy wonka. Wouldn't this make you a......(you'll want to lock the thread) There is evil in the world. It doesn't mean you have to be miserable if you understood the gospel message (which you don't even believe in) then you wouldn't be miserable.

**Gnostic** · 08-31-2014 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

I didn't say it wouldn't exist, I said that if you stopped seeing it everywhere it would disappear... for you. Reality for you is just your internal model for it, making it real for you. If you stop looking for evil everywhere and stop trying to find it in everything you see, even if it seems like it is exposing itself to you, then the world won't be such an evil place. If you can't accept the fact that it's your fault that evil is all around you everywhere you go then you are going to be miserable for the rest of your life. You have to look for the good in everything because it can be easy to miss. You seem more than happy (perhaps that's a poor choice of words, oh well) to be miserable though so go right ahead man, be as miserable as you want.

Perhaps our friend should listen to reality.

I cannot link as yet but please Google ---Doug Stanhope: Voice of America - FEAR IN THE U.S. NEWS

Please imbed it if you think he should see it.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

what are you talking about dude. 2050? We are in 2014.

I find it insulting that you call my thinking "Evil".

There is a great deal of freedom in my type of thinking. You don't have to restrict yourself to dogma. You don't have to believe something just because someone or some institute tells you to believe in it. You only have one authority and it's a legitimate one. You can think about things for yourself and decide your own faith and conclusions. You of your own free choice decide to follow the truth. That isn't evil, that's recognizing the son of God as Jesus Christ. The true authority. If you got the holy spirit who can defeat you in the end? If God is going to be on your side, and the other person makes you their enemy, they are truly screwed.

You prove my words my friend. To literally believe in Jesus, you have to embrace the notion that a judge who sets and accepts bribes and sacrifices is somehow a good judge.

Tell us. Is God a just judge?

This speaks of Jesus.
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

The above quote shows this as Gods first actual judgement and shows his setting and accepting a bribe of a human sacrifice to corrupt or alter his justice and judgement.

Justice usually states that only the punishment of the guilty is acceptable to justice and that it would be unjust to punish the innocent.

God’s corruption of this usual justice is what the bribe or sacrifice of Jesus bought. Injustice.

If you elect your judges in your country, would you vote God in as a fair and just judge knowing that he can be bribed?

Is God a just judge?

Regards
DL

**Deanstar** · 08-31-2014 06:53 PM

you are making up your own definitions. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins isn't a "bribe" it's a gift. You don't have to accept it. But you would be a bit of an _____ if you didn't. I would rule the one true creator just. He has the entitlement over creation and law itself for being the creator. From my relationship with Jesus, I wouldn't trust anyone else with my life, and I don't know anyone that has greater love or wisdom or righteousness. He is first. That's the foundation of worship, the purpose of all life.

Originally Posted by snoop

you could make a difference in other peoples lives but instead you throw it away because evil "upsets you too much". Get over it and do something about it or shut up.

I'm making a statement that I don't like Evil. That's a good step to commiting to it's destruction. Atleast I said it. You complain cause I said it and you start throwing accusations around. That would make you the one that is being manipulated cause someone says oh "evil exists i hate it" and you get irritated and argue about it. Everything you say about me can apply more easily to yourself.

**Gnostic** · 08-31-2014 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Deanstar

you are making up your own definitions. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins isn't a "bribe" it's a gift. You don't have to accept it. But you would be a bit of an _____ if you didn't. I would rule the one true creator just. He has the entitlement over creation and law itself for being the creator. From my relationship with Jesus, I wouldn't trust anyone else with my life, and I don't know anyone that has greater love or wisdom or righteousness. He is first. That's the foundation of worship, the purpose of all life.

Poor semantics. Be it sacrifice, ransom or bribe, they are all the same when God demands anything from us.

Who told God to accept that gift and change his condemnation to forgiveness?

Who made God go from his usual justice, ---- that being the punishment of the evil, to his accepting as justice the punishment of the good?

As above so below.

You are to emulate your God in all things. Do you think you should accept as just the punishment the innocent like God did or do you think we should punish the innocent?

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by Deanstar

I'm making a statement that I don't like Evil. That's a good step to commiting to it's destruction. Atleast I said it. You complain cause I said it and you start throwing accusations around. That would make you the one that is being manipulated cause someone says oh "evil exists i hate it" and you get irritated and argue about it. Everything you say about me can apply more easily to yourself.

Are you not suppose to be as perfect as your God?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If yes, then why do you not enjoy evil as he does?
Why do you put your likes above your God's and break the first commandment?

Revelation 4:11 (KJV)
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Regards
DL

**Deanstar** · 09-01-2014 08:00 AM

So if you are debating a Christian, then you are allowed to call them things like trolls and stupid. I don't remember seeing that in the guidelines of the forum? They get unfairy applied to me, but someone else gets away with it just because.....this is what I mean about double standards.

Originally Posted by OneUp

He died so that his followers would not have to be perfect. Once again, not everything in the Bible is literal.

The ideal is to be perfect. It's like if you are painting a picture, you want it to be a perfect piece of art, but it won't live up to that, but that's the ideal. I don't expect him to understand the scriptures, definitely not here to teach him cause his mind is closed lol

Originally Posted by snoop

Normally I would tend to agree with you but I know a lot of people in real life that would probably be even worse than him so for me it's more fun to keep arguing. Is that wrong? Maybe. ;(

I've got a question for you Deanstar. If a person were really pure evil, and he came knocking on your door, but did not threaten to harm you in any way, is your hate for him truly so strong that you would shoot him in the face? You know it wouldn't end evil altogether, but you know you would be killing a little part of it. Is that what you would choose to do? Or would you let him/it live despite your hate?

Jesus said love your enemies. So I don't hate people. That would be against his commandment. It's bizaree how basic things, you do not understand. I hate evil that doesn't mean I would shoot someone in the face for knocking on my door. If they did something evil, I would hate what they did. I hate most of the replies on this forum section. That's why I think I should go into another forum section now.

**Darkmatters** · 09-01-2014 08:16 AM

I deleted my original message (though it still shows where Snoop quoted it) and I apologize.

**Deanstar** · 09-01-2014 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

I deleted my original message (though it still shows where Snoop quoted it) and I apologize.

atleast you apologized, just wish it was to do with your disbelief, rather than something trivial.

**EbbTide000** · 09-01-2014 08:54 AM

Deanstar

This is a tough forum. But it is huge and many folk are reading what you write. "Views" don't register if the viewer is not logged-in. So, you are reaching a bigger audience than you know. Patiently, soldier- on.

Here are 18 Bible verses, Deanstar, that agree with your stand to hate evil but love the evil doer (for Christ's sake).

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What Does the Bible Say About Hate The Sin Love The Sinner?

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**Darkmatters** · 09-02-2014 04:36 AM

Oh ok, then I guess you're a non-practicing Christian. Lol, or just a Christian who's too lazy to go to church?

**Deanstar** · 09-02-2014 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Oh ok, then I guess you're a non-practicing Christian. Lol, or just a Christian who's too lazy to go to church?

Why is it that you always think being a christian is about going to sunday church? lmao. That is the least of a christians problem. Sunday is not even the holy day, it's saturday. You can easily fulfil everything in the bible without even attending a church building. A church is actually a congregation of believers and has nothing to do with a sunday service. That is a roman catholic creation that ultimately goes back to the roman empire. They tried to imitate their own version of it with the pope.

Anyway. No use being lukewarm in the end cause it counts for zero. Either be for Jesus fully 100% or not. Nothing in between. Just a little footnote you should realize if you are against the Lord (the one of the bible) you have to burn into ashes. If you are ok with that, that's not for me to judge. I have a lot of things I want to achieve in eternity, and not ready to burn into ash just yet.

**EbbTide000** · 09-02-2014 05:49 AM

Untitled Note

Hardly anyone (Christian) understands who they are. That's why I'm not a Chistian. In the late 70's I saw real healing miracles and joined. But after 4 years I slipped away cos my mum and several other friends died. The paster (my bible teacher) went to America for 20 years and the church moved from a warehouse (where I lived) to a newly built complex far away.

Anyway

In Genesis chapter one (the myth states) everything God created, he created immortal. After the "Fall" all his creatures began to age (and would finally die). When niether Eve or Adam would Talk to him about what caused this disaster, God immediately began devising a plan to redeem all creation, so it could get its everlasting life back.

No animal got old, weak, sick or died before "the Fall".

To show how God would redeem creation God killed and skinned two animals and covered Adam and Eves sin (bodies) with the hides of his once beautiful and eternal animals.

Remember Genisis Chapter One, Man ate friut and herbs, everything else ate greenery. All animals, insects, fish etc were strictly vegetarian.

God was the first to kill anything. He did it to promise that He himeself would, oneday, find a way to incarnated, as a mortal, shed his blood, and use his own blood (through suffering and death) to permanently cover the sin that brought old age, sickness and death into his Beloved creation.

Jesus was that God.

It was an impossible concept to get through to his beloved creation. Remember, Jesus was crucified because he committed the unforgivable crime of saying He and his father were One. In short he was revealing that it was only a metaphor that he was the Son-of-God. Jesus said

I Am that I Am - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus had to go around the fact that he was the creator God because there was no such concept in Jewdaism.

A human gets to heaven by becoming one-in-Crist because Christ is one-in-the-creator-God.

As a result of becoming one-in-Jesus-Christ, Christians can do everything that Christ (and God) can do. Heal the sick, raise the dead.

Jesus (God) took the full disaster of the "Fall" upon himself on the cross. Those who accept this (and die to the flesh) are saved from the consequences of "the fall" which was the loss of immortality.

John 14 verses 9-14

9) - *Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10) - *Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11*Believe me that

I am in the Father,

and

the Father in me:

or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12*Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

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Some Christians live that level of Christianity. I saw a church grow from 50 in the pasters living room to 2,000 in an industrial warehouse, in 5 years. The miracles were real. The teaching was out-of-this-world, but all backed up from Jesus words, in the Bible.

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13*And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14*If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

**Darkmatters** · 09-02-2014 12:00 PM

Hmmm… there's something interesting. What kinds of things do Creationists believe can be accomplished in eternity? What is the afterlife supposed to be like? I'm really curious, not trying to bait you.

**Deanstar** · 09-02-2014 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hmmm… there's something interesting. What kinds of things do Creationists believe can be accomplished in eternity? What is the afterlife supposed to be like? I'm really curious, not trying to bait you.

It sounds like this is a bait question....

I guess you think that I plan to sit on a cloud with a harp forever?

**Darkmatters** · 09-02-2014 12:18 PM

Hahaha! Well, that image did pop into my head, but I know that was never really what heaven was supposed to be like, just a Hollywood convention. Come on, you brought this up by saying there are things you want to accomplice - I'm not asking what your particular goals are, just in general what kinds of things can a person accomplish in the afterlife? It's hard to imagine. I thought it would be nice for us to actually be able to talk about something without arguing for once.

**Deanstar** · 09-02-2014 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hahaha! Well, that image did pop into my head, but I know that was never really what heaven was supposed to be like, just a Hollywood convention. Come on, you brought this up by saying there are things you want to accomplice - I'm not asking what your particular goals are, just in general what kinds of things can a person accomplish in the afterlife? It's hard to imagine. I thought it would be nice for us to actually be able to talk about something without arguing for once.

I wouldn't call it the afterlife. In my view you are either dead or alive. There's no 'afterlife' at all. (probaly one thing as an atheist you have in common with me) I think the difference is when Jesus Christ takes his kingdom, that I won't have a body that is genetically messed up that can be destroyed after the resurrection. So I will become immortal, that is the redemption and the promise. From there it's likely something to do with the holy city of Jerusalem. I don't think I have been that Good at spreading the gospel message, or that my life is picture perfect. I'll just be happy to even be allowed in the city. If you make it that far and are still alive, then I guess you will eventually see what happens. It won't be like it is now. My life is basically the opposite of what I want it to be as. If I had it my way I would be some sort of musical genius. That's only for starters. Definitely better than anything hollywood ever came up with.

One of the first things requested after immortality, is time travel. I'm not sure when that will be granted, but it would have to be after Satan is in lake of fire. If you think about it. As a time traveler I could have already reached that point, and gone back here to tell you about it. How would you know? A bit different of a response than harp in the sky lol

**Darkmatters** · 09-02-2014 01:33 PM

Yeah, that is different!! Also different from ideas I've heard about disembodied spirits existing in pure bliss for eternity - sounds kinda boring actually, doesn't it? Yours actually sounds a lot better. And hey, I guess you've been spreading the message pretty well in here, huh?

**Deanstar** · 09-02-2014 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Yeah, that is different!! Also different from ideas I've heard about disembodied spirits existing in pure bliss for eternity - sounds kinda boring actually, doesn't it? Yours actually sounds a lot better. And hey, I guess you've been spreading the message pretty well in here, huh?

well I have been trying to. I think in Lucid dreams, it can be a portal to time travel actually, and that the best chance you have in communicating with God may be through dreams, as it was with the other prophets. Some of the things I have experienced in dreams have been awfully vivid, and I guess that's what keeps you interested the possibilities in it.

Because of my interest in time travel. I have had dreams where I have been in the past and such. One time I was randomly in london in 1910, and there seemed no reason for it. It was like I triggered something that I didn't know how I did it. And everything seemed to different like I was really back in 1910 in london. The clothes, even the air seemed like different oxygen. I don't think it was a real place, but I see it as a dimensional travel. I have picked up information about my future before too.

When I was 11 years old. I was looking at a greenhouse, and someone laying on the floor with a gun. Then when I got up that morning. I saw in the paper about Kurt cobain. That confused me cause I had just dreamt about the same thing in the paper. Weird huh.

ooh, there is something even more weird that I just remembered. Once I was reading about someones dream online, and it was exactly the same dream that I had. lol! And it wasn't a common situation so it wasn't by chance. So I figure that people can also share dreams. All this kind of thing has given me a view of dreaming that isn't conventional.