What r u feelings towards exorcisms?

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ok so i have been an active Christian my whole life. so i have of course believed in possession of the devil... or his evil minions sorta speak... i always believed they happened, but not very often.

Now that i have gotton older & become more independent & started getting my bachlors in Pyschology i am finding myself 2 disbelief possession by the devil all 2gether. mainly because most incidents that have happened can be explained by mentel illness over silly devil ideas... (especially the case on the new movie - "The Exorcism Of Emily Rose - which wasn't even her real name...)

i have quite a bit of interest in studying the subject & would like 2 know anyone's feelings on the matter...

i dont know weather or not it is real but i have told the devil myself that he is free to possess me anytime he wants apperantly and that hasent happened yet.

personly i dont beleive in exorcisms if a person thinks they are possesed or is told they are and they beleive in it they will most likely here voices (coming from themselves) and see every bad thought in there heads as coming from the devil

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Originally posted by Girismyleader
Haha!
ok so i have been an active Christian my whole life. so i have of course believed in possession of the devil... or his evil minions sorta speak... i always believed they happened, but not very often.

Now that i have gotton older & become more independent & started getting my bachlors in Pyschology i am finding myself 2 disbelief possession by the devil all 2gether. mainly because most incidents that have happened can be explained by mentel illness over silly devil ideas... (especially the case on the new movie - \"The Exorcism Of Emily Rose - which wasn't even her real name...)

i have quite a bit of interest in studying the subject & would like 2 know anyone's feelings on the matter...

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I must speak with all humility; knowing what it means to walk as a solider, that has come up through the ranks of God’s army. There are forces beyond the realm of human understanding which are not for the faint of heart, and which are not to be taken lightly.

Many things “are” a result of the human mental condition without a doubt. But I now speak to you as a witness of things and forces which are beyond man’s mere mental confines. There are things which I must state truthfully that are” evil” in nature, and they have a purpose.

And until one knows that purpose one should “not” toy with them, unless you are called of God to do so. Remember those in Paul’s day who tried to cast evil out of someone? Which had no business doing so? They themselves were torn asunder, because they were not call of God to do so.

Exorcists and Exorcisms are for those who know who they are in God. And who are called to do so.

The Rev.

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Originally posted by Redeyedwolfking
i dont know weather or not it is real but i have told the devil myself that he is free to possess me anytime he wants apperantly and that hasent happened yet.

personly i dont beleive in exorcisms if a person thinks they are possesed or is told they are and they beleive in it they will most likely here voices (coming from themselves) and see every bad thought in there heads as coming from the devil

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Be careful what you wish for!

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Originally posted by Redeyedwolfking

if a person thinks they are possesed or is told they are and they beleive in it they will most likely here voices (coming from themselves) and see every bad thought in there heads as coming from the devil

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As i have gone thro studying past cases of exorcisms i have found myself 2 conclude that the ones who claim 2 be possessed r the ones w/the mentle disorders, or people seeking attention. The thing about possession is u dun know it is happening... u have no control of ur body or thought... that's what possession is... & yes there have been past cases of people who become possessed & have no memory after the exorcism is suppossedly successful & completed. also leading 2 the conclusion that possession most likely does happen every now & then...

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Originally posted by Awaken4e1

Be careful what you wish for!

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haha i must agree. Appearantly after the research i'v done it seems the only way 2 be possessed is actually 2 want & ask of it...

I have dealt with many cases of demonic influence, and there is an all too common thread in each case. There was an entertainment of a specific behavior which gave an opening into the mind of the one who became possessed.

And it was not just a mental condition. There is a process to becoming over taken by an evil influence. First there must be an exposure to the element of evil, it maybe something which is thought to be harmless at the time.

Then, there is an open entertainment of the evil, to keep it around. Then that entertainment became an obsession. Many young people are “obsessed” and have no idea that they are at the verge of full blow possession; I will not go into “all that” now, sufficed to say there is much darkness being entertained in our young people today.

Then at the point of obsession, then, there is a shift in behavior to give rise to a lost of identity. I sure we’ve all heard the expression “a mind numbed robot” in these types of cases where evil is involved that statement becomes the reality. They become entirely different personalities.

The Rev.

As u went thro describing the processes of posession, more of it seemed 2 be referring 2 influence over the actual posession itself. For example - the becoming obbsessed w/evil w/out realizing... that can happen 2 anyone, not just those who r being possessed.
it seems 2 me that u have more experience w/the influence before the possession actually consumes & starts.

There are stages to true "possession”
Follow the steps:
1. Exposure to the evil (Making own to it of your openness.)
2. Entertainment (To keep the spirit around.)
3. Engrossment (Full blow obsession of that entertainment.)
4. Emersion (The involuntary lost of one’s identity to the evil.)
5. Possession.

Involvement is only required when possession has manifested, obsession is not an actionable event, only possession is.



The Rev.

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Originally posted by Girismyleader


haha i must agree. Appearantly after the research i'v done it seems the only way 2 be possessed is actually 2 want & ask of it...

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There is a transition which takes place within the mind of the “obsessed.”
It is a very subtle change in relation to the amount of interaction with the spirit by comparison. Between steps 4 and 5 of the pervious post. Can be, long and drawn out, or very fast given the venerability of the personality of the one obsessing.

The Rev.

Have u ever particpated in giving an exoricism?

& where u say - Emersion (The involuntary lost of one’s identity to the evil.) - i was always taught that one chooses his way 2 possession.

Yes many times,
Possession is a temptation to those who are not able to discern the purpose of the spirit influencing the one obsessed.
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And every time u have helped in performing an exoricism u have firmly believed that the person was possessed by a demonic force?

Well, there is such a thing as exorcism, as I understand, but it's not exactly a couple of mixed-age priests driving out a demon...in regards to these "true" exorcisms, they are necessary, though they may seem fruitless.

...does anyone want to hear what I have to say? 'Cuz if no one does, then I won't say anything else about it.

Yes,
The Evidence was overwhelming to those who knew what to look for.
Each spirit carries specific characteristics. In most cases the spirit would be proud to identify itself.

The Rev.

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Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Yes,
The Evidence was overwhelming to those who knew what to look for.
Each spirit carries specific characteristics. In most cases the spirit would be proud to identify itself.

The Rev.

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See this is very interesting 2 me. Many of the priests who work in exorcisms inside the Catholic Church have said that they do about 70 exorcisms a year & mainly all of the patients... sorta speak... r not possessed & just need a long walk & a glass of water. Many of 2day's exorcists admit that possession is highly unlikely & only happens occasionally

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Originally posted by Muhjah
Well, there is such a thing as exorcism, as I understand, but it's not exactly a couple of mixed-age priests driving out a demon...in regards to these \"true\" exorcisms, they are necessary, though they may seem fruitless.

...does anyone want to hear what I have to say? 'Cuz if no one does, then I won't say anything else about it.

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Oh please. I am very interested in anyone's opinion on the matter. feel free 2 say whatever u want :P

to be possesed by a devil or demon would mean that the "spirit" is stronger than you. now to believe in demons and the likes, then you have to have some religous education and you know that God gave us all power over "dark forces" . so is possesion even possible?

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Oh please. I am very interested in anyone's opinion on the matter. feel free 2 say whatever u want :P[/b]

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Oh OK, thanks. :D

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to be possesed by a devil or demon would mean that the \"spirit\" is stronger than you. now to believe in demons and the likes, then you have to have some religous education and you know that God gave us all power over \"dark forces\" . so is possesion even possible?

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Well, see, in the beginning, there was just light and darkness. The light, or energy, was what is called The Source of All Life (TSOAL), which some people also refer to as "God", with a capital "G". While the darkness was just a void -- the Void, also caled the Darkness -- for a time, tiny atoms of TSOAL broke off and were transmogrified into literally dark energy, called the "Mists of Darkness", or just "Mists". Now, in their transformation, the collective Mists somehow became conscious. Now, time does not exist in this extra-cosmic plane, but the Mists were created prior to the Universe, also called the Lighted Universe (LU), which later came about as a somewhat larger piece of TSOAL that broke off and transmuted in the Void to become essentially the Universe we know today, with its specific governing physical laws.

Before the Universe transmuted, however, a tiny piece of it broke off -- porportional to its division from TSOAL -- and that piece became the first lower-level deity, from which humans eventually descended; that is a story in itself.

Anyway, so in the beginning of humanity, there was a force called the Yetzer haRa, or "Evil Inclination". However, this entity, also created from energy that budded from TSOAL, was rather benign; its only purpose was to tempt. Once it caught the attention of a human being, it left, and went to find another. Now, since TSOAL was creative by nature, the Mists was destructive. In order to destroy the Universe, the Mists needed to penetrate it. However, the Universe was protected by a residual light, an energy now called the String of Life, and without a base within the Universe in which to ground itself, the Mists could not permeate it. Now after a period, the Yetzer haRa would become weak, and would make its way back to TSOAL to recharge. Seeing its opportunity, the Mists attacked the Yetzer haRa as it returned to the Void from the Universe. The two entities then fused, creating the force known as "Evil", whose purpose is to tempt and destroy. After it provokes its target, it does not simply move on, but absorbs itself into said being. While humans still do retain a very minimal amount of energy, the soul, inherited from the deities that were their ancestors, who of course were descended from TSOAL -- all humans have a little SOAL in them, get it? :P -- their porous, fleshy bodies can easily store vast densities of Evil. The only thing that can repel Evil is pure SOAL energy. Humans can increase their energy store, but most don't, and don't even know about it. So they are weak against the Evil. The longer the Evil stays inside a body, the more it will homogenize itself with the flesh, poisoning the mind, the reasoning and the personality.

The Mists still pursue total penetration of the Universe. Since its creation and evolution, its String of Life has split into several Threads which wind through all the cosmoses, and create a fairly strong veil of energy to keep the Evil out. This veil is not completely invincible, however, and tiny wisps of Evil will push their way through the infitesimal spaces in the veil.

...and that is why there is Evil in the world. To exorcise it, you must counter it with an equal amount of light energy, of which there is very little of (therefore, only deities or Key Figures can do exorcisms -- or destroy the base, i.e. the body.

On an interesting note, consciousness, or sapience, and the will to destroy, or at least be a catalyst to the naturally occuring entropy, are essentially directly linked.

Wow. Lots of response to this subject. Anyway, personally: Why sell your soul to the devil, Redeyedwolfking? Rent it and charge interest! LOTS of interest! And meanwhile, take a page out of the cellphone company's books and charge early termination fees, then put a cap on how many minutes he can use! Show him the true counter to evil: CAPITALISM! :D

Very interesting thread. I think the idea of possession comes from the days when mentally ill people, who are now known to have neurotransmitter imbalances, were thought to be possessed by evil spirits and had holes put in their heads so the evil spirits would come out. The right antipsychotic medication would have driven out the "evil spirits" without killing the "possessed" person.

I don't know if I ever could believe the bs that were demonstrated in exorcism movies like the exorcist or emily rose. If it really happened, I take that back.

The mind is a powerful agent, whether for good or bad. We don't have to talk in absolute terms. The whole exorcism itself, even appearing real to all parties, may just be a placebo effect on something considered a mental illness. We all know that beating somebody with a club is motivation enough to get them to do a certain something. Similarly, even if Priests don't really have exorcism powers, their very presence in the eyes of a "possessed" person already grants a humungous hope of exorcising this demon, whether it really be a spirit or just a mental derangement. Like dream characters in a dream..it wasn't real, but it was a real experience.

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Originally posted by AirRick101
I don't know if I ever could believe the bs that were demonstrated in exorcism movies like the exorcist or emily rose. If it really happened, I take that back.

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Heres the thing - it did happen. i looked up the case. But it didn't happen how the damn movie is leading people 2 believe it happened.

"Emily" (which i remind u wasn't her real name) suffered from epilepsy & mulitiple personality syndrome - her doctors, & even the Roman Catholic church itself said she was ill & needed help. That's why her priests & parents were thrown in jail... as they deserved... seeing as how she starved 2 death because "the demons would not allow her 2 eat." The Roman Catholic Church didn't even pass it as an ok for the priests 2 perform an exorcism. & they @ least should have forced fed her 2 save her... the case is a very interesting story. So is the actual tale on the li'll boy that the first exorcist movie in 73 was based on. If anyone's interested i can get some good non by-ist links on the actual "true" case matters.

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Originally posted by Universal Mind
Very interesting thread. I think the idea of possession comes from the days when mentally ill people, who are now known to have neurotransmitter imbalances, were thought to be possessed by evil spirits and had holes put in their heads so the evil spirits would come out. The right antipsychotic medication would have driven out the \"evil spirits\" without killing the \"possessed\" person.

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I agree w/part of this post. but after doing a lot of research on past cases u'll be surprised on some things that actually happen that can't really be explained. Like that of the St. Louis boy who spoke in ancient Latin even though he had never learned any of it & was far 2 young for anyone 2 understand him...
freaky stuff :P

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Originally posted by Tsen
Wow. Lots of response to this subject. Anyway, personally: Why sell your soul to the devil, Redeyedwolfking? Rent it and charge interest! LOTS of interest! And meanwhile, take a page out of the cellphone company's books and charge early termination fees, then put a cap on how many minutes he can use! Show him the true counter to evil: CAPITALISM! :D

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... hhhhmmm what 2 reply on this one... Tsen u silly boy u. The thing w/possession is yes maybe the individual does influence the evil 2 true possession. what about those who have it hard & suffer from eplipsy, TICs, MPS, etc. Not only this u know how many times a church will randomly grab a boy w/ADHD & start doing an exorcism because "he's different"? they dun' understand the real world has people existing w/actual chemical imbalances. I have done a lot of research on this matter for a project in psychology & u will be damn surprised how many people have been seriously beaten & killed because people get carried away believing those who r "different" r possessed.