thoughts of why people hate Christians

**Alric** · 08-16-2013 08:45 AM

Most of the religious 'freedoms' people complain about losing involve them losing their right to push their religion on others against those other people's wishes. Things like not being allowed to force their religion on others by putting the ten commandments in a public court house. Not being allowed to push their religion on others by having the public schools lead school enforced prayer. Not being allowed to force their religion on others by having their fairy tale of intelligent design replacing actual science. Not being allowed to ban gay couples from marrying because of their own personal religious beliefs.

Also why does it upset you that jobs that require people to interact with customers are told to be open and friendly to non-religious people? They say to not say god bless you because they want a friendly atmosphere that is more inclusive to all their customers. How is that a bad thing? You are basically saying your right to force your religion on others should be more important than the customers comfort, which is silly and bad for business.

**TheSilverWolf** · 08-16-2013 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Alric

Most of the religious 'freedoms' people complain about losing involve them losing their right to push their religion on others against those other people's wishes. Things like not being allowed to force their religion on others by putting the ten commandments in a public court house. Not being allowed to push their religion on others by having the public schools lead school enforced prayer. Not being allowed to force their religion on others by having their fairy tale of intelligent design replacing actual science. Not being allowed to ban gay couples from marrying because of their own personal religious beliefs.

Also why does it upset you that jobs that require people to interact with customers are told to be open and friendly to non-religious people? They say to not say god bless you because they want a friendly atmosphere that is more inclusive to all their customers. How is that a bad thing? You are basically saying your right to force your religion on others should be more important than the customers comfort, which is silly and bad for business.

It upsets me because A: we have a right to freedom of speech and B: we have a right to express our religious beliefs (in theory). Thus, if one person says "God Bless You" to another, what is wrong with that? If person B is not a Christian, why should they be offended that person A offered them a blessing? If anything, they should take it as what it is--a well meant and friendly comment.

Why can't a job be friendly and open to religious people? Non-religious people should be the only ones that people are open and friendly to, while the religious have to keep their mouth's shut and not express their beliefs? That's kinda crossing a line, don't you think? If someone is free to express their atheist beliefs, then shouldn't those who are religious be able to express their belief in whatever faith they follow, be it Christian, Buddhism, Muslim, Judaism, etc. etc.?

The freedoms I complain about losing doesn't involve me pushing my faith onto others against their wishes. it is me being able to express my beliefs as anyone else is supposed to be allowed to do.

And also to note, I'm not against forced prayer either, but if a child or adolescent wants to pray in school, they shouldn't be told they can't, or that they have to do it in private. That totally undermines what America is all about!

~SilverWolf~

**Darkmatters** · 08-16-2013 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by TheSilverWolf

And also to note, I'm not against forced prayer either,

Wait - was this a mistake, or did you actually mean you believe non-religious people, or people of different religions, should be forced to pray christian prayers?

Originally Posted by TheSilverWolf

but if a child or adolescent wants to pray in school, they shouldn't be told they can't, or that they have to do it in private. That totally undermines what America is all about!

Now you've completely lost me. Nobody is being told they can't pray in public schools, just that it's no longer mandatory and that it won't be led by the teachers. But of course it needs to be in private!! What do you mean it shouldn't be in private, are you saying that if one kid decides he wants to pray in class, on school time, that the entire rest of the class should sit quietly while he prays out loud and disrupts the class? And what if there are kids of different religions in the same class? Do they each get their turn to pray aloud as the rest of the class sits silently wasting their time?

That would mean the kids are now in charge and can do whatever they want - what if some atheist kid decides he wants to sing a song, and while he's singing he thinks everybody else should either join in or sit quietly and do nothing until he's finished?

I have a better idea - how about people pray in church, and learn stuff in school? Why is it necessary to pray at that particular time anyway, while you're supposed to be learning? Should kids also be able to stop church services while they do some algebra? If you want your kids to pray on school time, how about you send them to a religious school?

Can't prayers be said silently and in just a few seconds? In a way that doesn't disrupt class time? Can't they be said sometime when you're not in school? I don't get why it needs to be right then and there.

**TheSilverWolf** · 08-17-2013 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Wait - was this a mistake, or did you actually mean you believe non-religious people, or people of different religions, should be forced to pray christian prayers?

Now you've completely lost me. Nobody is being told they can't pray in public schools, just that it's no longer mandatory and that it won't be led by the teachers. But of course it needs to be in private!! What do you mean it shouldn't be in private, are you saying that if one kid decides he wants to pray in class, on school time, that the entire rest of the class should sit quietly while he prays out loud and disrupts the class? And what if there are kids of different religions in the same class? Do they each get their turn to pray aloud as the rest of the class sits silently wasting their time?

That would mean the kids are now in charge and can do whatever they want - what if some atheist kid decides he wants to sing a song, and while he's singing he thinks everybody else should either join in or sit quietly and do nothing until he's finished?

I have a better idea - how about people pray in church, and learn stuff in school? Why is it necessary to pray at that particular time anyway, while you're supposed to be learning? Should kids also be able to stop church services while they do some algebra? If you want your kids to pray on school time, how about you send them to a religious school?

Can't prayers be said silently and in just a few seconds? In a way that doesn't disrupt class time? Can't they be said sometime when you're not in school? I don't get why it needs to be right then and there.

OOPS, yeah, I MEANT to say I'm NOT for forced prayer either, LOL! Darn typos!

What I mean by they shouldn't be forced to pray in private is this: Take my example of the kid at his graduation? Why should his microphone be cut off the second he starts thanking God? For that matter, why should the child who believes in God, be told he can't pray before taking an exam? Why is it he can be told not to pray at lunch, because it might *offend* other people in the cafeteria with him or her? Why should they have to either pray in their church or at home? Prayer is a part of life for any Christian, in all parts of their life from school, to private life. Finally, will you please tell me why a child choosing to pray disrupts class? I mean, it's not like they're dropping into prayer right in the middle of a lecture (if they are, maybe the teacher's lecture is a little dry? :p).

As for the "God Bless You" thing, again I ask, since it has not been adequately answered. WHY should it offend a non-Christian, when a Christian states "God Bless You?" Just stating that to someone isn't shoving their beliefs down their throat. This is usually used as a goodbye or a welcome by most Christians. If I say "Hello, God Bless You," to someone who doesn't believe in God, instead of getting pissed off because I dared use the word "God" in their presence, maybe they should instead say "Thank you." Or, at worst, "Thanks, but I don't believe in God."

It seems to me that those who aren't religious take every tiny thing that a religious person does, and uses the excuse "you're throwing your religion down my throat" just so they don't mention anything about God. Just because the non-religious want nothing to do with God, doesn't mean that the religious shouldn't be allowed to mention His Name in public. Honestly, to me it comes off as whining and makes me want to call the Waaaaahmbulance.

~SilverWolf~