Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
We are in agreement - I said you don't have any actual evidence, only faith and belief, and you confirmed that. What you supplied as supposed evidence is totally ambiguous and in no way indicates the existence of the Judeo-Christian God or any other god. You see good and bad things happening in the world and through your Christian bias you see God operating behind the scenes. I see the same things happening and at no point does any of it indicate any god.

See - I'm not arguing that there is no God - only that there can be no actual evidence for God and that belief in God is simply a matter of faith alone - every attempt anyone has ever made to use science to prove any religion has failed because at some point the people always step away from science and insert their own subjective feelings instead - things like "I can feel him in everything around me" or "Nothing else can explain the miracle of life".
And yet, I am very dissatisfied with a claim that I do not have any real evidence because I think I have evidence, but just am unable to express it / communicate it, and definitely not in a way that would persuade you. However, I am not going to agree with a statement that it is all based on feelings, and that all evidence points against the existence of God and none for his existence - I think that atheist do not have evidence against God's existence either, oh I know you think you do, but the arguments of atheists are as unpersuasive and illogical to us as arguments for the existence of God are to you. You hear my claims as fabrication without a firm grounding of truth, while I hear claims against faith as twisting of truth. Just because I am not adequate to the task of arguing does not mean though that there are no proofs of truth. I know that those who do not believe in God like to claim that if there were a God one could use logic to prove his existence, and some people who do not believe in God even claim that they can with logic disprove God's existence. However, logic is inadequate to either prove or disprove God, and logic is human logic and it is flawed no matter how much we like to think that we are capable of being truly logical.

By the way, I am not convinced that Judeo-Christianity is more correct than other religions. I have been reading about Buddhism, and I believe that one can be a Christian and a Buddhist, and in fact one might be a better Christian if one also were a Buddhist. I do not wish to disprove other religions because I believe that all religions have truth in them as well as fallacies, and I realize that we humans may not always be able to discern correctly which is which, but that does not mean that nothing in religions is true. I think it is important not to throw out the baby with the bathwater here: just because a lot is wrong, does not mean that a lot is not also right, even if we may not be able to communicate it correctly to those who think differently.