Thread: Catholic Faith

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

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Enjoy your atheism conceptions while it lasts, for when you die you will no longer be able to say you don't exist, when you experience yourself as still conscious. Then you have a decision, either come out of your delusion once and for all, or go even deeper into delusion and start pretending you are still alive on earth.

Originally Posted by knight31

Enjoy your atheism conceptions while it lasts.

Yeah, the other atheists and I, we all love thinking that our ultimate fate is oblivion. That's why we dogmatically shut our ears to the truth - that we'll have an eternal afterlife of bliss. That makes us uncomfortable.

Bang on, mate.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yeah, the other atheists and I, we all love thinking that our ultimate fate is oblivion. That's why we dogmatically shut our ears to the truth - that we'll have an eternal afterlife of bliss. That makes us uncomfortable.

Bang on, mate.

If you can convince yourself that you will not exist soon. You can escape all your problems through trying to believe that it will soon be over no matter what you do. By taking this stance that everything is chaotic with no real meaning or purpose, and that you are not really alive, just a temporary existing robot, this lifts a great deal of responsibility off your shoulders that you would otherwise have to think about more carefully. If you told yourself that you existed as a person you would have to care about your actions thoughts deeds ect because it would then be apparent that is what you are and what you make of yourself.

From my perspective it is a really pathetic cop out, and from your perspective it is the beneficial view to get an advantage that seems safest. Thing that won't be beneficial or safe is when you move on from your body, and leave years and years of spiritual neglect behind you, of which you should have been doing your work to become more conscious.

It is not a logical or scientific view to suggest you will sometime in the future not experience your own self awareness, there is now tones of literature and cases where patients have known impossible details of things in the hospital at the time their body was officially 'dead'. This is not taking into account the new developments in physics and science that are proving the existence of higher dimensions, and starting to bring together metaphysical concepts that have long being unable to be reconciled with science until now.

Originally Posted by knight31

If you can convince yourself that you will not exist soon. You can escape all your problems through trying to believe that it will soon be over no matter what you do. By taking this stance that everything is chaotic with no real meaning or purpose, and that you are not really alive, just a temporary existing robot, this lifts a great deal of responsibility off your shoulders that you would otherwise have to think about more carefully. If you told yourself that you existed as a person you would have to care about your actions thoughts deeds ect because it would then be apparent that is what you are and what you make of yourself.

From my perspective it is a really pathetic cop out, and from your perspective it is the beneficial view to get an advantage that seems safest. Thing that won't be beneficial or safe is when you move on from your body, and leave years and years of spiritual neglect behind you, of which you should have been doing your work to become more conscious.

It is not a logical or scientific view to suggest you will sometime in the future not experience your own self awareness, there is now tones of literature and cases where patients have known impossible details of things in the hospital at the time their body was officially 'dead'. This is not taking into account the new developments in physics and science that are proving the existence of higher dimensions, and starting to bring together metaphysical concepts that have long being unable to be reconciled with science until now.

So wait: the guys who say that when their brain rots it means their memories and 'self' disappears with it... are the ones doing the wishful thinking?

And the guys who say that when their brain rots the information in it somehow escapes and lives in happiness and bliss forever where God loves you eternally.. are the ones not wishful thinking?

Here's a thought: You're delusional.


Edit: On a second note, I'm gonna call you on it. Please cite peer reviewed sources offering clear indisputable evidence for the continuation of a self in any sense after brain-death. Go on, prove me wrong with your "tones of literature" (which is a phrase making no fucking sense, FYI). I promise you, O faithful, that there is none, and anything you provide I can shoot down. When you die the grey matter (and the illusion you call 'yourself') in your skull turns to a smelly discoloured mush- sorry if my clearly extremely wishful thinking gets to you- and that is, as they say, that.

Edit 2: Okay, Okay, hold the fucking boat for a second. Did you just reference "higher dimensions" as being in any way proof or evidence for the continuation of a collection of electronic impulses which give rise to self consciousness, after the material vehicles for those impulses are destroyed? Firstly: what do you mean? There are other dimensions, sure, there may even be other universes, no problem. How do you jump from that to immediately 'lolsothereforeheavenXD'. Its a fucking joke that you can accuse anyone else ever in any period of time ever ever ever of wishful thinking considering the pseudo-scientific diarrhea that is spewing from you.

Originally Posted by knight31

for when you die you will no longer be able to say you don't exist

Good point.

Originally Posted by knight31

If you can convince yourself that you will not exist soon. You can escape all your problems through trying to believe that it will soon be over no matter what you do. By taking this stance that everything is chaotic with no real meaning or purpose, and that you are not really alive, just a temporary existing robot, this lifts a great deal of responsibility off your shoulders that you would otherwise have to think about more carefully. If you told yourself that you existed as a person you would have to care about your actions thoughts deeds ect because it would then be apparent that is what you are and what you make of yourself.

From my perspective it is a really pathetic cop out, and from your perspective it is the beneficial view to get an advantage that seems safest. Thing that won't be beneficial or safe is when you move on from your body, and leave years and years of spiritual neglect behind you, of which you should have been doing your work to become more conscious.

It is not a logical or scientific view to suggest you will sometime in the future not experience your own self awareness, there is now tones of literature and cases where patients have known impossible details of things in the hospital at the time their body was officially 'dead'. This is not taking into account the new developments in physics and science that are proving the existence of higher dimensions, and starting to bring together metaphysical concepts that have long being unable to be reconciled with science until now.

People generally do not consider themselves robotic automatons, shuffling in and out of every day, escaping their problems by clinging to the position that "it'll all be over soon." Problems must be dealt with in the present or near future, and unless one plans on quickly offing themselves tomorrow, those problems will remain until resolved. The point you don't seem to grasp is that they can be resolved and people can live normal and happy lives even if they don't see any inherent meaning or purpose in the world around them. It's not a significant point of contention; people who want purpose or meaning seek it out (or create it) themselves. The affect of one's actions on others is still considered even in this chaotic picture you've painted. In a nutshell, very few people who agree with Xei would agree with what you've said. And the position is hardly a cop-out. Rather it is a realization that yes, we are temporary, but we need not consider ourselves robots. The phrase "make the most of the time you've got" comes to mind.

Whether it is logical or scientific to take up this position is of course not hindered whatsoever by the wildly questionable and slippery accounts coming from patients able to describe "impossible details" around them when they were either dead or near-death. Perhaps they would be if such accounts were more rigorously explained, but unfortunately they tend not to be. So it's hardly a mark in your favor.

I'm no physicist or mathematician, but even if there are higher dimensions, what makes you think we can experience them either while living or, more to the point, when dead?

Originally Posted by knight31

If you can convince yourself that you will not exist soon. You can escape all your problems through trying to believe that it will soon be over no matter what you do.

Good point, I hate the burden of existence, I want it to be over, and that's why I committed suicide yesterday. Oh wait, that's wrong and your argument is hilariously ill thought out.

By taking this stance that everything is chaotic with no real meaning or purpose, and that you are not really alive, just a temporary existing robot, this lifts a great deal of responsibility off your shoulders that you would otherwise have to think about more carefully. If you told yourself that you existed as a person you would have to care about your actions thoughts deeds ect because it would then be apparent that is what you are and what you make of yourself.

And that's why the prison population of atheists is so much lower per capita than that of people who believe in an afterlife? Whoops.

I believe in purpose. I'm a good person and I try to live a good life. What you just said is simply false. You're very ignorant about your fellow humans.

From my perspective it is a really pathetic cop out, and from your perspective it is the beneficial view to get an advantage that seems safest. Thing that won't be beneficial or safe is when you move on from your body, and leave years and years of spiritual neglect behind you, of which you should have been doing your work to become more conscious.

1. Living forever.
2. Dying within a few decades.

Please place a tick next to the above option which is 'safest'.

It is not a logical or scientific view to suggest you will sometime in the future not experience your own self awareness, there is now tones of literature and cases where patients have known impossible details of things in the hospital at the time their body was officially 'dead'.

No, there isn't. I've read a book by somebody who spent a career researching this; he discovered no cases that weren't easily explained. Am I wrong? Then provide evidence.

This is not taking into account the new developments in physics and science that are proving the existence of higher dimensions, and starting to bring together metaphysical concepts that have long being unable to be reconciled with science until now.

You haven't studied physics and you don't know what a dimension is in physics. Am I wrong again? Define it.

I was Catholic until about 13 or 14 and quite staunchly so. I went to Catholic school until I was 18, and all it did was affirm that the likelihood of there being a god was low, and if he did exist, he was the opposite of what that confused church preached.

Originally Posted by knight31

Enjoy your atheism conceptions while it lasts, for when you die you will no longer be able to say you don't exist, when you experience yourself as still conscious. Then you have a decision, either come out of your delusion once and for all, or go even deeper into delusion and start pretending you are still alive on earth.

So Pascal's Wager?

Originally Posted by knight31

Enjoy your atheism conceptions while it lasts, for when you die you will no longer be able to say you don't exist, when you experience yourself as still conscious. Then you have a decision, either come out of your delusion once and for all, or go even deeper into delusion and start pretending you are still alive on earth.

Like most cult members, you are just spouting off a bunch of bizarre assertions and not providing even a shred of evidence. Do you have any to present?