Now a topic to really get the mind going...god.

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

lol...the point ===> NOTHING CANT APPEAR OUTTA NOTHING SO WHERE DID ALL THIS COME FROM? i hope the bigger words help ya read it. and infinite should mean EVERYTHING....again just makes sense. and hahaha isn't it obvious? because this universe...like i said before isn't infinite...so idk where you got that from..and you wanna know what i think is infinite? the multi-verse! and u know big bang? yeah could easily by cause by two universe bumping into each other.

[edit] and other thing i can agree with u on. point of philosophy is to work out what we can know.

I believe it was the Dalai Lama (current one) who said "No, not one big bang, but continual big bangs over and over throughout time in infinity" - Well, maybe not, but he did say it in my dream. Parallel Universes? M theory? Sure, why not?

**Xei** · 09-10-2011 05:43 PM

Well, I've explained why there's no reason to think that nothing can't appear out of nothing, and I haven't heard any disagreements yet, so at the moment there is no point.

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by DreamVail

I believe it was the Dalai Lama (current one) who said "No, not one big bang, but continual big bangs over and over throughout time in infinity" - Well, maybe not, but he did say it in my dream. Parallel Universes? M theory? Sure, why not?

thats actually pretty crazy dude...lol funny how god would call it big bang too though dont you think?

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Xei

Well, I've explained why there's no reason to think that nothing can't appear out of nothing, and I haven't heard any disagreements yet, so at the moment there is no point.

hahaha you have and i rejected all YOUR assumption with my well common human educated assumption. But i do get your point, but your the one who seems to not get mine.

**Supernova** · 09-10-2011 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

the universe has'nt existed forever....its impossible for things to appear outta nowhere.

Then where did the universe come from?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

and of course there's no evidence. its all common sense of thinking.

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

hahaha you have and i rejected all YOUR assumption with my well common human educated assumption. But i do get your point, but your the one who seems to not get mine.

"I rejected your 'assumption' with my assumption so therefore I'm right."

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Supernova

Then where did the universe come from?

EDIT:

"I rejected your 'assumption' with my assumption so therefore I'm right."

....ahhh big bang? wtf?
hahaha u know the difference between a guess and a educated guess?

[edit] haha its like saying you think weather forecast gets everything wrong.

**Supernova** · 09-10-2011 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

hahaha u know the difference between a guess and a educated guess?

Yes, I do, and you're not making an educated guess. Even if you were, that hardly sufficient to base a theory on the origins of the universe.

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Supernova

Yes, I do, and you're not making an educated guess. Even if you were, that hardly sufficient to base a theory on the origins of the universe.

lol i guess im just...not guessing? hahaha people are acting like IM acting like the know it all. and why not? its pretty obviously no one has a better theory. well what ever. I can't force people to think. and reason why im on this topic is because accepting the fact that life and everything just appear outta nowhere is stupid.

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

lol i guess im just...not guessing? hahaha people are acting like IM acting like the know it all. and why not? its pretty obviously no one has a better theory. well what ever. I can't force people to think. and reason why im on this topic is because accepting the fact that life and everything just appear outta nowhere is stupid.

You are as you think.

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by DreamVail

You are as you think.

no its u are what you eat =.=
and according to your "saying" your a religious who spends to much times reading the bible and waiting for god to give you all your answer. ooo tooo much?

wow this forum is surrounded by alot of dumb people.....think before one's speak is obviously been thrown out by lucid dreaming tech and whatnot.

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

no its u are what you eat =.=
and according to your "saying" your a religious who spends to much times reading the bible and waiting for god to give you all your answer. ooo tooo much?

Far too much, but ok. I am much more Buddhist than Christian, but I think both Jesus and Buddha were prolly rad-cool. You? At least you are fun to discuss with though. Most people here should get some moneys and buy a brain.

**Fredfredburger** · 09-10-2011 06:51 PM

If there is a god, I dont think he came out of nothing, I think he just is and always was.

That might make no sense to us, but consider the possibility of the human mind lacking ability to understand how something could always exist no matter how far back you go. We humans think that we can see and understand all, but that isn't true. We make judgments from our ability to reason and sometimes not consider that we might not have the mental capabilities to observe all the variables included in the possibility of a god.

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

thats actually pretty crazy dude...lol funny how god would call it big bang too though dont you think?

I think the Buddhist view on this particular scientific principle is that of an oscillating Universe rather than a stagnant one. But not that there is only one Universe, but trillions +. If not their view, call it my view. :-)

**JussiKala** · 09-10-2011 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

wow this forum is surrounded by alot of dumb people.....think before one's speak is obviously been thrown out by lucid dreaming tech and whatnot.

It's quite immature calling others dumb when your entire point has been pointed false by those same people, your only experience with them being this particular exchange of thoughts. Therefore saying "They disagree with me, and are therefore dumb"

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by DreamVail

Far too much, but ok. I am much more Buddhist than Christian, but I think both Jesus and Buddha were prolly rad-cool. You? At least you are fun to discuss with though. Most people here should get some moneys and buy a brain.

haha i was born in a Buddhist culture myself but i never really gave a shit about them. like i mean yeah religious gives people what to think about and what to do with there lives...but i dont like that...never have never will. no one's perfect so why act like it so? and even worse trying to achieve it?

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 07:16 PM

There is a pretty big difference between getting that we are all Buddha in our own right, and worshiping a made up god that others made up and we accepted. Your turn, bro.

**Supernova** · 09-10-2011 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

wow this forum is surrounded by alot of dumb people.....think before one's speak is obviously been thrown out by lucid dreaming tech and whatnot.

OK, take it easy there.

**420Dreamer** · 09-10-2011 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by JussiKala

It's quite immature calling others dumb when your entire point has been pointed false by those same people, your only experience with them being this particular exchange of thoughts. Therefore saying "They disagree with me, and are therefore dumb"

LOL like i said...dumb..."pointed false" hahaha wow...really? did they gave me actually evidence that proved i was wrong? hahaha. all they did was disagree with me and gave me math facts wtf? he said this and i said that. but what i said is my own thinking plus other scientist thinking. I dont learn to point out others that their wrong. and learning to think on your own and outside the box is wayy better then following what others say -,- simple facts lost by the dumbs.

Originally Posted by DreamVail

There is a pretty big difference between getting that we are all Buddha in our own right, and worshiping a made up god that others made up and we accepted. Your turn, bro.

lol i have no idea what you just said...but ima play anyways.
god is more of a figure. choose to believe in him or not i could care less. all im saying there's no point for a god...

lol no. simple. intelligence life is rare. be lucky your alive and actually have a iq higher then a monkey. heaven and hell is just something for people to believe where good shall be rewarded and evil shall be punished. heh. wishful thinking. these convo are starting to bore me...now it's becoming more about me. haha. wtf? weak.

and to educate you even further...if god really did exist...do you really think he would spend time to "appear" for certain people? lol wtf? all human are equals in his eyes no? if he did exist wouldn't he be busy with all the death thats happening 24/7 to even have ANY free time? psh...yeah thats what i thought.

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

lol i have no idea what you just said...but ima play anyways.
god is more of a figure. choose to believe in him or not i could care less. all im saying there's no point for a god...

If there is no point for a god, is there a point for a you?

**JussiKala** · 09-10-2011 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

LOL like i said...dumb..."pointed false" hahaha wow...really? did they gave me actually evidence that proved i was wrong? hahaha. all they did was disagree with me and gave me math facts wtf? he said this and i said that. but what i said is my own thinking plus other scientist thinking. I dont learn to point out others that their wrong. and learning to think on your own and outside the box is wayy better then following what others say -,- simple facts lost by the dumbs.

I am not saying that your position has been proven false, or that the other side would have more of a point here. That is irrelevant to my comment there. And that's a very important distinction you need to make here. Proving someones view false and someones argument for that view false are two different things. I'm simply saying that the flaws in your reasoning have been pointed out multiple times, yet you are the one who calls others "dumb". How ironic.

What you call simple facts, some of us call invalid reasoning. While it may make sense to you here, upon closer inspection all that has major issues, which have been reviewed not just by the people here, but thousands of other people online. It's always funny when someone uses an old argument that has been beaten to death a gazillion times yet another time because he or she hasn't looked into the issue enough. If you'd done that, you'd know not to use arguments such as the origin argument. Trust me, you're not the only one who's tried to argue with those online.

And no... these people are not "dumb" because they choose to analyze each idea like this and see if the idea has any merit. Why would that make them dumb?

**DreamVail** · 09-10-2011 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

and to educate you even further...if god really did exist...do you really think he would spend time to "appear" for certain people? lol wtf? all human are equals in his eyes no? if he did exist wouldn't he be busy with all the death thats happening 24/7 to even have ANY free time? psh...yeah thats what i thought.

He is not likely to care about what you term "death" any more than I am likely to want an education from your blah blah blah.

**Original Poster** · 09-10-2011 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

haha exactly. so god doesn't exist then eh?

That's quite a leap.

I said the definition of God you were trying to give cannot logically exist. That's it. You should probably change your definition of God.

**DreamVail** · 09-11-2011 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

That's quite a leap.

I said the definition of God you were trying to give cannot logically exist. That's it. You should probably change your definition of God.

But what is this person's definition of god? I've run into this so many times. People ask if I believe in god, but they do not define what they mean by god.

**stormcrow** · 09-11-2011 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by 420Dreamer

wow this forum is surrounded by alot of dumb people.....think before one's speak is obviously been thrown out by lucid dreaming tech and whatnot.

Please learn proper punctuation before insulting the intelligence of my fellow dreamers.

**420Dreamer** · 09-11-2011 08:12 AM

lol wow....you guys are acting like there SOOO MUCH GODS FLYING AROUND.
Its amazes me how stupid people are. who else would i be talking about? wtf? idiot.
"Please learn proper punctuation before insulting the intelligence of my fellow dreamers." LOLOL stfu. my fellow dreamers...wow acting like you own them. soo much stupid people on this forum -.-

ok so whats the "real" definition of god? you guys tell me then if you are all soooo smart. -.- yea i thought so. stfu and learn.

life is much bigger then what you think it is. and NONE OF YOU ever said anything beside the same thing over and over again -.- please learn to say different facts instead of pressing the repeat button, hoping you can force that small knowledge into my head.

Originally Posted by DreamVail

But what is this person's definition of god? I've run into this so many times. People ask if I believe in god, but they do not define what they mean by god.

lol only dumb people wouldn't know the definition of god. my point proven case closed. all you guys are fuking idiot who can't think for themselves.