Lucky bastards, I bet they got to have sex before marriage and smoke weed without knowing how bad those things are. Nerve that is a great picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
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Lucky bastards, I bet they got to have sex before marriage and smoke weed without knowing how bad those things are. Nerve that is a great picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
"the one True god" is your opinion of what is the true god. So, yes, you ARE saying that people will go to hell if they don't see god as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
Why would god send someone he/she/it supposedly loves to an eternal hell for sins committed in a transient world? That sounds completely unjust. Does god love only those who believe in him?
just trying to spread the love
Oooh, this will be fun! :content:
Sleep paralysis and hypnogogic hallucinations. You should know by now that during those two you usually feel intense fear and paranoia, even if there is nothing there. You can also see these, and because you saw that white thing, you just freaked out even further. You're right, it isn't a big deal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
Don't feel ashamed for missing this. I had very similar experiences, but once you realize that they aren't real and it's just HH and SP, then their "presence" will disappear from your life. They do leave scars, though. ._.
Fucking depression or mental illness! They have only been delivered by Jesus because of the placebo effect. The reason is that they are all Christians! They don't think of depression, schizophrenia, or that other stuff! They don't bother to see a psychologist or anything, they just have to be so damn ignorant that they think it's a demon! Bullshit! When they get the "exorcism", the placebo effect gets rid of it, at least for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
That's because you're not supposed to cry and shake and everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
1) Yes. I believe that dark entities (or something similar) are real, but they must be summoned from another plane of existence before they can get you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
2) Self-contradiction. You must believe in Jesus to get to Heaven. If you don't, you go to hell. So, where do the other 13/14 go? Is there another way?
So, if the parents of the (former) child are blameless, does that mean the creator of the religion gets the blame? Because, logically, the first parent has to get the blame, and that is the creator of the religion. Also, if He loves us and doesn't want us to go to hell, why doesn't he give us something other than faith to go by? It's stupid!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
If you know something about SP/HH, you would know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
The ultimate reason why Christians are commonly targeted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS ARE TOO IGNORANT AND STUBBORN TO EVEN QUESTION THEIR BELIEFS, TOO STUBBORN TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION.
Jesus: 'every jot and tittle is still true'. And how do you interpret this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickrold
Why are you upset at atheists for making those comments about christianity? For the most part, we KNOW we're only talking about the really crazy messed up fundamentalists when we're ranting about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickrold
But you know what? I also won't tolerate it when sane christians like yourself whine about that. If you don't like it, do something about it. In fact, if those neocon christians are really taking a huge shit on what christianity is supposed to stand for (and I think they are), then YOU, the sane christians, should be laying the smackdown on them WAY more than us non-theists. So take your complaints and aim them at a direction where they're more useful, i.e. the god-fearing, rapture-preaching, "repent cause the end is near... now watch this drive" folks. We shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves, if we agree that the fundies who want to impose their views on everyone else are the bad apple. :)
The Bible depicts a false God for the sake of surpressing the masses. What a coincidence that the Bible was created at the same time of the rise of the roman empire. The Bible was nothing but a tool to surpress native culture, both in europe and in america, all native culture has been erased and replaced by christianity. In europe women who were originally in power were systematically prosecuted as witches, and in america, the natives were all killed. Christianity is a fake culture created for the sake of surpressing the people.
The Bible claiming Jesus is the son of God and Jesus is our lord and savior does this only for the purpose of putting the people down. We are all the sons of God and that is exactly what the Bible is trying to prevent us from realizing by creating a fake image of God. Both christians and atheists buy this image of God and no longer stand still and think about another possible concept of God. The Bible has successfully managed to numb our minds, we no longer think for ourselves.
Apart from that it is pretty obvious that God exists.
1. DNA is structured like a book, so who is the writer? The argument that DNA was randomly created is a mathematical impossibility.
2. In the future we will be able to create a virtual reality similar to the matrix, who says God has not done this before us?
3. We can recreate the entire universe inside our dreams, we play God each night yet we deny the possibility of God?
4. Chicken or egg? Who was first? Only possible solution is that someone created either the chicken or egg. The argument of a proto-chicken only evades the question and does not solve it.
5.The main argument against God is that if there is God then why is there evil? It is because God gave us free will. On top of that, success is only achieved through failure. Therefore, it is impossible for an evolving world to be without evil.
Going against God is going against logic.
Well, it's not a mathematical impossibility, it's just a very low chance that it was achieved in the 4 billion years our Earth has existed. Now, if we had more time, that's a whole different argument, but still, it's not an impossibility. I personally think that, as a believer of the Ancient Alien Theory, that aliens have either created the first piece of DNA or blended their DNA with that of our ancestors. This is a whole different discussion, though, so I'm not going to go further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
Wouldn't it be easier if he just showed himself to me? Oh wait... Christianity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn
DNA wasn't created randomly, it was created based on prior conditions. If you want to argue that nature is God and that it spawned DNA I agree, but I just don't think that that is what people mean when they say God. It's like saying someone is gay and meaning that they are happy, you can do it but most people won't understand you(even more so in the case of God).Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
There does not need to be a being for there to be intelligence.
No clue about the chicken or the egg, but I hypothesize it was the chicken. I'm not expert on evolution, but it seems the chicken could have evolved from some other organism that did not need eggs to reproduce.
I agree with the rest of your post, about christianity's purpose being social conditioning and suppression of the individual.
Yep. He tries to convince you with numbers and faulty logic instead of much harder proof. How nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by XeL
This would be a whole lot easier if god just said "hey suckers, I'm real" in a big loud voice, to everyone, at the same time.
And I haven't seen anyone walking around with awesome powers lately. You know, there was that guy who got strength from his hair etc.
Ok maybe that's symbolic (the only bible I've read was when I was about 8 and it was simple and had pictures and everything so I'm not sure haha) but hey whatever. If I could do anything and everything, I think I'd manage to give free will without evil (evil wouldn't exsist) and everyone would be happy and grateful. But without all the praying and worshipping and stuff, that would just annoy me.
But still, I think that this was all for control or that people just switched and changed things (anyone remember chinese whispers as a kid?) so much that everything got distorted.
If it were me, there would be no hell. No heaven either because the world would be good and pure just like what heaven is supposed to be.
Evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
People who don't have evidence...Namely the entire human race.Quote:
2. In the future we will be able to create a virtual reality similar to the matrix, who says God has not done this before us?
Because we live in the real world, not a fantasy dream land.Quote:
3. We can recreate the entire universe inside our dreams, we play God each night yet we deny the possibility of God?
Clearly the only answer is that the chicken magically popped into existence.Quote:
4. Chicken or egg? Who was first? Only possible solution is that someone created either the chicken or egg. The argument of a proto-chicken only evades the question and does not solve it.
No, the main argument against God is that there is no evidence for one. Of course, people will just side-step that and say "oh well X, Y, or Z SUGGESTS that God exists" except X, Y, and Z are speculative or misguided bullshit.Quote:
5.The main argument against God is that if there is God then why is there evil? It is because God gave us free will. On top of that, success is only achieved through failure. Therefore, it is impossible for an evolving world to be without evil.
:roll:Quote:
Going against God is going against logic.
If people have free will, one person will decide to do something, someone else won't like it and will decide to call it evil. Evil is just a word. It's an abstraction not a physical thing, that's why two different people can have two different ideas about what it is. In my opinion the only true evil is taking away the will of others, in exactly the way that christianity does. They tell you what is right and wrong because God says so(reminds me of stone cold steve austin). If you derive what is evil based on a dogma rather than on thought you will be wrong because your ideas come from the past rather than the present. What is wrong in one instance is not necessarily wrong in all instances. Most christians realize this even.
Agreed! And people need to remember that everything changes, nothing stays the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
If the bible is a lie, then where did you get all of your information regarding the Christian god?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
One wrong mutation in a population of 1000 won't cause extinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
My point with the chicken was that why does it have to be someone? Couldn't the system which the universe is create something, I think it does constantly. Couldn't the circumstances of the universe create a situation where DNA manifests? Why does there need to be a supernatural power involved?
No, written language is an invention by man. we can transcribe the DNA to written language if we try really REALLY hard to see patterns that may or may not be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
Hahaha now that is a good argument, why doesn't God shout out and reveal himself? I think anyone could do this really, claim they are God, except for God himself as he gives us free will. And people have been doing this all the time really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspberry
Also the thing about reality is, that without cold there is no warmth. Without good there is no evil. You need contrast to be able experience one or the other. Say you take a cold shower, the shower only feels cold because your skin is warm. Suppose your skin was freezing, the cold shower would feel warm. So yeah, there just has to be evil. An as evolution is infinite, what is good today, will be evil tomorrow, as things only get better and better. Take computers for example, old computers are like evil, and new ones are good. But in a few years the new computers will also belong to the evil group because they have been outdated.
According to evolution theory, evolution goes gradually. So it is impossible for an organism who doesn't lay eggs, to change into an organism that does, through one generation of a tiny small random mutation. And no I'm not arguing that God is nature. I'm arguing from a programmers perspective, that someone must have written the code for the DNA. DNA is a language with punctuation, phrases, paragraphs, chapters etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
But this low chance has to be repeated each generation, each mutation, leading to an even lower chance, and it would only take one wrong mutation to lead to extinction, hence the mathematical impossibility. I believe in evolution tho, but to me it is obvious DNA is a written language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowboy
No I don't have phsyical evidence for God, but I do have logical evidence. But then you would first have to believe in logic before you could accept logical evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUELINE976
Logic. I believe it is the only way to arrive at any information on God at all. Suppose we live in a reality like the matrix, there is no way of knowing what is real except through the use of logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennerman
Logic in your mind or logic in that of the rest of society?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
It is fashionable and trendy. I don't criticize Christians, I criticize some dogma and doctrines. It is easy to criticize other's beliefs, but not so easy to even see one's own beliefs and assumptions objectively. People think that they are evolved and intelligent when they can point out what they perceive as silly in other's beliefs. This appeals to their egos and their own self-importance. But just try criticizing science and see how defensive they get, as if their own belief structure is being attacked. They do not see that there is truth in mythology. I don't know if they even interpret dreams to find self-knowledge. Because to interpret dreams one would also interpret myths and find truth. Truth in the story of the Garden of Eden, truth in the story of the resurrection of Christ and the Virgin Birth. If there is no truth in these stories then there is no truth in the messages in their dreams. Then dreams are just a hobby or past-time to them in which they can increase their skill in lucid dreaming in order to have fun but devoid of any meaning. But higher knowledge found subjectively? They probably don't believe in such things, because that would be silly just like believing in Christ. The language of dreams is the same language of myths. In order to understand this language one needs to open one's mind. But many of them do not think so deeply on these things and look honestly at their own beliefs and limitations of knowledge. It is trendy and fashionable, and they do not want to appear unintelligent, so they look outside themselves and point fingers at all the silly superstitious stupid people around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickrold
Yet we do write in DNA ourself. DNA manipulation. We don't need to try hard to see patterns. It is a fact that DNA is patterned into phrases, paragraphes, chapters, it has words and even punctuation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennerman
If there wasn't, why can't we recreate this scenario in a computer simulation? What kind of situation did you have in mind can you give an example?Quote:
Originally Posted by stonedape
But one right mutation in a population of 1000 will cause the entire population to evolve in the exact same direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvo
Logic agreed upon by everyone. Of course the logic starts in my mind. But the thing is, there is a logic, like mathematics for example, which is undeniable, and that is what I mean by logical evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennerman
Yes, you just described the concept of natural selection. The good mutations thrive, the bad mutations don't. The mutation wouldn't immediately affect the population, but it wouldn't die off and eventually it would affect the entire population, while the bad mutation would die off before it affects much more than a fraction of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
So you don't have physical evidence for God...but you have logical evidence. What, exactly, is your "logical evidence."Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba