Thread: How many Christians are on this site?

im a christian,and proud of it

Originally Posted by PaintaBadger

im a christian,and proud of it
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The people that bombed the WTC, were muslim, and proud of it.

Originally Posted by Neruo

The people that bombed the WTC, were muslim, and proud of it.
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Your comment has been noted, Neruo...

Moving on.

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Your comment has been noted, Neruo...

Moving on.
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'Yur cumment hasch been nuted neruo'

Great that your post actually added something to the discussion. Why not PM me? The parallel I set was to illustate that relgion, especially when extravertly proud of it, can lead to bad things. Crucades, wars, WTC bombing.

Why wouldn't I be allowed to state that parralel? It is a fact that all religions have led to bad things in some time in history.

Religion is not the sole cause of the world's problems, nor the cause of all acts of terrorism (however you may define it). I think it's unfair to label everyone who's proud of their spirituality as a potential terrorist.

And when I made this thread, I wasn't looking for a discussion or an arguement, just numbers.

He didn't say that religion was the cause of all the problems---
Only that overt pride can lead people to do some very nasty things.
It's no different whether you're an undying nationalist, an extremist religious zealot, or an overly enthusiastic soccer (or football, for you Euro chaps) fan.

The fact is, when people have undying support for a notion/belief/idea/political party/etc, bad things happen. When people start believing something and stop taking the time to question their beliefs and the actions those beliefs are leading them to, society breaks down and violence erupts.

That was exactly what I ment Tsen, thanks!

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And ok, so I might have said what I said in the first place a bit more sensible. ^_^

Originally Posted by Neruo

That was exactly what I ment Tsen, thanks!

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And ok, so I might have said what I said in the first place a bit more sensible. ^_^
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Not a problem

Originally Posted by Tsen

He didn't say that religion was the cause of all the problems---
Only that overt pride can lead people to do some very nasty things.
It's no different whether you're an undying nationalist, an extremist religious zealot, or an overly enthusiastic soccer (or football, for you Euro chaps) fan.

The fact is, when people have undying support for a notion/belief/idea/political party/etc, bad things happen. When people start believing something and stop taking the time to question their beliefs and the actions those beliefs are leading them to, society breaks down and violence erupts.
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no offense and all...but i highly doubt that's what he meant, even though that's what he said after the fact. The people that did that bombing were muslim, and they WERE proud of it, now i'm quite sure they're not so proud. Christianity offers ONLY love, and it is not meant to be used for a method of killing and death or pain, though some people, those of the times of the crusades, try to use it as such. Yes, old testiment says alot about death and wars and the such, new testement sheds light on the way it is now, the way it's supposed to be, loving our neighbors as ourselves and loving God with our every being, THAT'S Christianity, not "Oh, i killed them because God told me to" or "Yea, i did that (fill in the blank), i know, but God'll forgive me". nope, that's not Christianity, neither is going to church just to go, neither is going to church, then going to school or work and cursing, talking about wrong things, and doing wrong things that the Bible most definately says is wrong.

I'm not trying to be a jerk nor am i trying to pin anything down on anyone, but i'm just sick and tired of people claiming to be Christians, but instead they tear the name of Christianity down for us who ARE Christians.

cd

Originally Posted by cd27

no offense and all...but i highly doubt that's what he meant, even though that's what he said after the fact. The people that did that bombing were muslim, and they WERE proud of it, now i'm quite sure they're not so proud.
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That kind of implies they are burning in hell

Christianity offers ONLY love[/b]

So you contradicted yourself. How can christianity only offer love if people that decline it will end up burning for eternity.

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Besides that, besides a few passages that probably are less worse then the old testament the koran is allso about good things. The old testament, the one jesus never said not to be followed, allso states that non-believers should be stoned to death. (or put to death in another 'holy' way).

Ofcourse, as we all know, both of those religions have led and are leading to horrible things around the world. One of the few things I agree on the muslim extremist say is that america is on a crusade. Bush is an extremist religist in my eyes just as much as those wacky muslims are.

Point is: All religions are good on paper, like communism. But all of them lead to death, misery and war. I wonder why you GAWD doesn't intervien with a miracle like both the old testament and new testament sais he does dayly.

How many times has your god spoken to Anyone, or how many clear miracles have happend? Kind of strange that god 'used to' do alot of miracles in the testaments, yet now let his creations kill themselves in His name.

As far as religious extremists, they don't represent the whole population because of what they are: extremists. Most Muslims probably don't condone the acts of 9/11 and other acts of violence that may be taking place in the name of Allah, just as most Christians today would not condone the Crusades or other acts of violence done in the name of God.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Besides that, besides a few passages that probably are less worse then the old testament the koran is allso about good things. The old testament, the one jesus never said not to be followed, allso states that non-believers should be stoned to death. (or put to death in another 'holy' way).
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For clarification, I don't have time to look this up right now, but it does not say to stone "non-believers." There are rules as far as certain levels of interaction with non-believers, but stoning was a punishment, mainly for fornicators and/or adulterers/adultresses.

If there's more debate, can it be duked out in another thread?... or in one of the million and one other threads that there already are?

A few qoutes from evilbible.com:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)[/b]

I know, all old testament, but it man, how much worse can the koran be?

I am a christian.

Ahhh, thank goodness for that. Back on topic.

Myself, I am not Christian, I am an atheist.

However, I have an alternate "personality" or "perspective", which is Christian, that I adopt or change into from time to time when the need arises. this sounds odd, but since I'm a medieval history student, it helps to have a backup "mindset" that you can slip into from time to time, to help to understand medieval documents.

Inspired by a new thread:

*bump*

I'm a Christian too and I kind of lost track of the thread but I do like that you instigated a thread bold-facing our joint beliefs.

mmma mmmaaa this was ment to be a Christian only fwed for sayings uz is one buuuuut thens the people came and made it brokens

Ima sowwwwy for it being brokens!! I get some glue and stick it down again and it will be gooooood!!

I isn't one though...., just let m3h have ma showa and my nooodles wihout knockin on me door three times in one day and i wills share my iced creams with youze!

A cATHOLIC AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

Christian!

Is anyones name Christian? That might put a twist on things here =P

I heart Jesus.

there should be a not sure option

Originally Posted by BearsysRevenge

there should be a not sure option

Not sure = not a Christian.

christian/agnostic