Thread: Gods Cannot Have Consciousness

Originally Posted by really

I think it's just conceptual entertainment; analytical games. If you don't believe in God anyway, why put this forth?

I don't know - it's a paramount waste of time. Just like my education and life.

What do you suggest..??

(Note; this is not sarcasm)

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I don't know - it's a paramount waste of time. Just like my education and life.

What do you suggest..??

(Note; this is not sarcasm)

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Why ask me? I have no idea who you are, let alone myself. (Hint)

Originally Posted by really

Why ask me? I have no idea who you are, let alone myself. (Hint)

Yup

So I guess we might as well not talk about anything but the weather.

Boy is it cold.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Yup

So I guess we might as well not talk about anything but the weather.

Boy is it cold.

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Not for me. It is Hot!

Hot Hot Hot!!!

I'm gonna buy an air conditioner, for this long summer. Thus:

God doesn't need consciousness, being All That Exists.

I think it likely that any gods would not have consciousness, or at least no free will.

I say this because of a dream I had where I was everything. I was the air, the ground, the people, the buildings, absolutely everything. Some might consider that a god like attribute.

As the scope of my awareness grew, sinking down to the molecular level, I began to lose all will to do anything. I was just aware of everything humming away, and I couldn't do anything but just be aware of it. I couldn't have done anything if I wanted to, and I don't even think I could have wanted to.

When your consciousness encompasses everything, you can't make the distinction between one thing and another, and a person is no different than a speck of dust. They are all part of the same thing.

Suppose a "god" was simply an intelligent being that instantiated a computer simulation of a universe that spawned a virtual intelligence, call it O'nus, that questioned whether gods can be conscious. Is this "god" not conscious?

See post #2.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Suppose a "god" was simply an intelligent being that instantiated a computer simulation of a universe that spawned a virtual intelligence, call it O'nus, that questioned whether gods can be conscious. Is this "god" not conscious?

I assimilated the response of mine to this issue as already brought up by Xei:

Here are the problems:

- The mention of simulated reality is redundant as we are still discussing a creator even of those that are simulating reality. No matter who is doing the "simulating" there still must be a beginning to things.

- You are saying that even in a simulated reality, or any reality, a being "could" exist. This means nothing, you are not saying anything nor proving anything nor contributing anything. You could also say, "There may be such thing as Santa" but you are not actually saying anything substantial besides the notion of plausibility.

- It is not a counter-example because it has nothing to do with anything that I have said. I am arguing over the foundations of consciousness, time, and the self. Simulated realities are irrelevant. Furthermore, simulated realities are still subject to every issue I mentioned which does not affect my argument.

Even in a simulated example, the creator of the simulation is not "everywhere".

For example:
- The Matrix. The creators are still not omni-beings in their actuality. The Matrix is irrelevant as we are directly speaking of the creators themselves who are, in fact, not omni-beings.

- Take an example of a simulation in which there is just 1 creator with a machine controlling other variables like androids or something (it does not really matter). The fact remains that, in that creators reality, they are still not omni-beings.

So, your this argument is inadequate because the examples you cite or simulated realities are not counter-examples to omni-beings that would be at the beginning of everything. This being omni-beings.

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