Thread: Communism!

I have a quest y does no1 want communism because i had a dream where the entire world was communist no poor people no rich snobs no starving africa. Every1 was just at peace there was no greed or any thing seems like utopia to me. I mean if u take some of the Brutality out of it there is nothing wrong with it?

1. No poor
2. No inequality
3. No wars
4. No starving people
5. Working not for self but for the benifit of Humanity
The good things just keep coming. If we take away violence then its utopia so id like to know whats wrong.

P.S. sorry if this is in the wrong section and sorry if it seems like jiberish.

1. Spell check.

2. Dreams aren't real. Just because communism worked in your dream doesn't mean it'll work in real life.

Originally Posted by 27

2. Dreams aren't real. Just because communism worked in your dream doesn't mean it'll work in real life.

just because it a dream doesnt mean it cant come true

OK, but it doesn't make the dream proof that communism works. If communism worked we'd still have the USSR.

Communism is nice as long as people don't act like humans at all. The ego, selfishness, greed, etc. all make communism unattainable.

Well the only problem I see with your theory is that communism doesn't work.

Originally Posted by wasup

Communism is nice as long as people don't act like humans at all. The ego, selfishness, greed, etc. all make communism unattainable.

Maybe not on a large scale. but on a small scale possibly.

I think the best example of communism in practice are kibbutzes in Israel. Its sort of like all of the people on a kibutz are ants and they are working for the good of the colony not for themselves or i could be wrong.

But my point is communism or communist ideals can be achieved on a small scale but on a big scale its not possible for the reasons you mentioned.

If you look at China, a supposedly communist state, there is still a wealthy class.

Originally Posted by ushamie

I have a quest y does no1 want communism because i had a dream where the entire world was communist no poor people no rich snobs no starving africa. Every1 was just at peace there was no greed or any thing seems like utopia to me. I mean if u take some of the Brutality out of it there is nothing wrong with it?

1. No poor
2. No inequality
3. No wars
4. No starving people
5. Working not for self but for the benifit of Humanity
The good things just keep coming. If we take away violence then its utopia so id like to know whats wrong.

P.S. sorry if this is in the wrong section and sorry if it seems like jiberish.

In your dream, why did anybody bother to work? How hard did each person work? Did they work harder than greedy people? If so, then you were definitely dreaming. Communism has no fuel except government intimidation. That is the problem. Nothing else makes it work at all, and even government intimidation is miniscule compared to greed. That is the hand nature dealt us. We need to stucture our economic systems accordingly.

Originally Posted by ushamie

Its not the colony its humanity

Every human should have the right to live in a blissful world but to do that every1 has to work together so its fair

The colony doesn't love feel pain or want its followers do

That is like saying lions need to become vegetarians.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

In your dream, why did anybody bother to work? How hard did each person work? Did they work harder than greedy people? If so, then you were definitely dreaming. Communism has no fuel except government intimidation. That is the problem. Nothing else makes it work at all, and even government intimidation is miniscule compared to greed. That is the hand nature dealt us. We need to stucture our economic systems accordingly.



That is like saying lions need to become vegetarians.

but still y cant they its not impossible u just need to get rid of greed cant every1 help each other instead of wars we can spend more time on other things like medical research and space exploration. Any way they already have vegatarian lions some zookeepers fed a loin vegtables and it liked em not meat

Originally Posted by ushamie

but still y cant they its not impossible u just need to get rid of greed cant every1 help each other instead of wars we can spend more time on other things like medical research and space exploration. Any way they already have vegatarian lions some zookeepers fed a loin vegtables and it liked em not meat

Just like you have to force a lion to live in a cage to make him a vegetarian, you have to make a country live in a cage to make communism get anywhere, which could never be very far.

Greed is as much a part of human nature as the will to have fun. It is not going anywhere. It is what makes us tick.

I oppose state-sponsored communism, but the USA could use a little more collectivism, which really just amounts to greed with a little more thought put into it. We can see how a thug pushing drugs and getting in gunfights out of percieved self-interest isn't really doing himself, his family or his neighbors any favors. But when it's a CEO begging the maximum tax breaks, grants and subsidies in exchange for keeping the locals busy choking their own ecosystem (making a living hastening their deaths), we envy their 'success' and give them civic awards if they build a playground every six years or so.

We've over-emphasized the stats--profit, speed, output--and neglected values like craftsmanship, service and real utility, very much to the detriment of our reputation and quality of life.

Originally Posted by 27

OK, but it doesn't make the dream proof that communism works. If communism worked we'd still have the USSR.

Not really, no.

The problem with communism is that it is utopic, it is too idealistic. It is also very misunderstood, as is anarchism, and it has never been executed correctly.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

I oppose state-sponsored communism, but the USA could use a little more collectivism, which really just amounts to greed with a little more thought put into it. We can see how a thug pushing drugs and getting in gunfights out of percieved self-interest isn't really doing himself, his family or his neighbors any favors. But when it's a CEO begging the maximum tax breaks, grants and subsidies in exchange for keeping the locals busy choking their own ecosystem (making a living hastening their deaths), we envy their 'success' and give them civic awards if they build a playground every six years or so.

We've over-emphasized the stats--profit, speed, output--and neglected values like craftsmanship, service and real utility, very much to the detriment of our reputation and quality of life.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

Originally Posted by ushamie

but still y cant they its not impossible u just need to get rid of greed cant every1 help each other instead of wars we can spend more time on other things like medical research and space exploration. Any way they already have vegatarian lions some zookeepers fed a loin vegtables and it liked em not meat

Ok seriously you can not get rid of greed, that would be VERY BAD. I know it would be nice to haveeveryone doing everything for everyone else, lalala sunshine world. BUt NOO! COmpetetiveness and greed fuel everything, even positive things such as medical research, even charity!

England will say: Oh well look at us, we are giving 0.1% of our GNP to help the starving children in africa!

America: OMG you guys are soo cruel, we are now giving 0.3%!!!

England: Gosh their acting like it was 50 years ago, we give 0.6%.

China: Yeah.. well we just thought about advancing our country and using all the money you spent on Africa, which tbh didn;t do that much in the end since yougave it directly to their governments. didn't have the balls to go and otherthrow child murdering corrupt leaders and don't give money to chrities that actually do help a ittle, such as the water aid ones. We were able to cure cancer by using nanobots to attack the mutated cells and also create these look giant energy sheilds. Which FYI means that although we now firing long range missiles to devesatte your countries, you can't harm us. Don;t worry once we've takne you guys over we'll use the land for food. It'll be the United Earth Empire..of China. Of curse that's until 20 years later when a group fo people are sick of one nation just looking after everyone and it started to become a lalala happy land, they want to be rich and have power over others ands look good, so they rebel, make some new countries, and it starts again...

lol

also the part about the vege lions.. yeah the part tehy didn't show you was the bit were the animal weighed a half of what it should do, looked like skin and bones, became ill and eventually died because.. shock horror here people.. LIONS ARE NOT VEGES!! They nedd this cool thing called protein, they need lots, in fact they really aren't supposed to eat vegetables at all, probably can't even digest them very well. They then miss out on the amino acids that YOU CAN ONLY GET, from eating other animals. The end..


I apologies for all spelling errors, i am on a terrible keyboard right now and the firefox automatic spell checker i have at home for my forum use isn't here cos their using IE!

Originally Posted by ushamie

I have a quest y does no1 want communism because i had a dream where the entire world was communist no poor people no rich snobs no starving africa. Every1 was just at peace there was no greed or any thing seems like utopia to me. I mean if u take some of the Brutality out of it there is nothing wrong with it?

1. No poor
2. No inequality
3. No wars
4. No starving people
5. Working not for self but for the benifit of Humanity
The good things just keep coming. If we take away violence then its utopia so id like to know whats wrong.

P.S. sorry if this is in the wrong section and sorry if it seems like jiberish.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Fidel Castro started out as a revolutionist, against a dictator. Who could not handle the power. Then come eugenics. It is still very debatable to stop blind people from reproducing, so our gene pool will be cleaner. Is it morally right?