Thread: There is No Reason

I guess it's kind of nice, to me there are some truths there; others are too blunt. But I disagree that life holds no reason, because life is the reason to live.

Well it's true, there is no meaning to life at all. We're merely constructs of chemicals and complex cell structures.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Well it's true, there is no meaning to life at all. We're merely constructs of chemicals and complex cell structures.

There's no meaning to chairs and tables at all. They are merely constructs of wood and perhaps other kinds of useless material. See what I'm implying?

I agree on most of it though life does have it's own purpose, we were all built to survive. It may not be the most greatest story like some religions say but it's a simple purpose.

Ofcourse you could alway deduce that to not have a purpose in it's self.

Our purpose is to find a purpose.
No one ever created us, and we don't HAVE to do anything (not even dying).
You have to add purpose to your own life.

And if your purpose is nagging about the fact that there is no purpose, well, good luck and have fun with that. Stopping you isn't my purpose.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Death holds all answers and absolute confusion.


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Why?






I disagree, O'nus.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

No one ever created us, and we don't HAVE to do anything (not even dying).

Uh... right. I guess that explains why the oldest human beings so far are recorded at around 100 and some years, and not thousands?

You are missing the point.
I mean there is no law that forces us to die.
If we would find the key to immortality, God (or anyone else) would NOT pop up and say "Hey, you can't do that!"

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

You are missing the point.
I mean there is no law that forces us to die.
If we would find the key to immortality, God (or anyone else) would NOT pop up and say "Hey, you can't do that!"

It's true. oddly.

Originally Posted by really

There's no meaning to chairs and tables at all. They are merely constructs of wood and perhaps other kinds of useless material. See what I'm implying?

That I'm right?

Scientifically, there is no reason or meaning. Naturewise, we have to reproduce. In human thinking, we have to make the best of our lives and enjoy our selfs.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Why?






I disagree, O'nus.

Yeah I also don't understand why you think death holds confusion, or answers.

Inless ofcourse you have a diffrent view of death, I for one think it is like how it was before I was born.

The universe is mute and offers us no answers but we can make meaning in our lives.

The rest didn't make much sense.

Originally Posted by Xei

The universe is mute and offers us no answers but we can make meaning in our lives.

The rest didn't make much sense.

I agree!

Woop woop!

You like the idea of existentialism then? I only looked into it recently, I agree with the general idea. I don't agree with most of what Kierkegaard said though. In my opinion he was really flawed. One of the ideas key to existentialism is that the individual is totally free, including freedom from pointless establishments. Another of the key ideas is that there is no meaning in the universe. However Kierkegaard tried to justify his belief in the Christian God and Church, which in my opinion goes completely against both of those ideas. Also he supported other silly notions such as subjective truth, and his 'leap of faith' principle... bleh. So yeah, I like existentialism, but Kierkegaard had it all wrong.

Originally Posted by Marvo

That I'm right?

Scientifically, there is no reason or meaning. Naturewise, we have to reproduce. In human thinking, we have to make the best of our lives and enjoy our selfs.

Science and nature unite as the same thing. How is there no meaning, scientifically?

I said tables and chairs and no meaning because of what they were made of, but you can see that that is exactly what their meaning is from! Would you make a chair out of "H_2 0"? That would be useless; meaningless.

Perhaps the stars are just atoms, and massive giants are studying our universe under a microscope.
Perhaps...the UNIVERSE IS A CHAIR!

Originally Posted by really

I said tables and chairs and no meaning because of what they were made of, but you can see that that is exactly what their meaning is from! Would you make a chair out of "H_2 0"? That would be useless; meaningless.

What is H_2 0?

Anyway, I disagree when people say, 'tables aren't real, they are just clumps of atoms which we cannot contemplate physically'. Well, no, consciousness gives meaning to these things. When we speak of a chair, we speak of concepts. We speak of an object with a particular shape and function, and its nature is completely irrelevant. This is what I mean when I talk of giving meaning to a meaningless universe.

Originally Posted by Xei

What is H_2 0?

I tried to write the chemical formula for water; that's what it is supposed to be. There's another one: Water is meaningless to humans because it is merely two Hydrogen atoms bonded with an Oxygen. I hope you see my point.

Originally Posted by Xei

Anyway, I disagree when people say, 'tables aren't real, they are just clumps of atoms which we cannot contemplate physically'. Well, no, consciousness gives meaning to these things. When we speak of a chair, we speak of concepts. We speak of an object with a particular shape and function, and its nature is completely irrelevant. This is what I mean when I talk of giving meaning to a meaningless universe.

Yeah, that's my point!

What a material is composed of, is in this case irrelevant to whether it has meaning or not.

The meaning/purpose of a chair is in its functionality and usefulness to humans (ie. it was made for people to sit on)? Without people - or, more broadly creatures which desire to "sit" and which recognise the usefulness of a chair with respect to this (what a mouthful) - of course, it has no meaning.

It's also relevant that the chair was created with intent to be useful.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

The meaning/purpose of a chair is in its functionality and usefulness to humans (ie. it was made for people to sit on)? Without people - or, more broadly creatures which desire to "sit" and which recognise the usefulness of a chair with respect to this (what a mouthful) - of course, it has no meaning.

It's also relevant that the chair was created with intent to be useful.

Yes.



And if we were instead a particle which moved from point A to B in 0.01 seconds, and stopping (dying), our purpose was to move from point A to B. The time frame isn't important either.

Well, if it was useful or pleasing to [someone] for us to move from A to B (someone including us)...

I mean, if you didn't actually *want* to move from A to B, and it achieved nothing by itself then it would be a bit pointless.

I'm fairly sure I agree with you. The concept of "purpose" is a human-made word invented to rationalize human-performed deeds and observations. It gives us piece of mind, I suppose, to know exactly why the earth remains in orbit, exactly why we have two houses of Congress, why birds fly south for the winter, and other things. We like to understand, because based upon past experience, it helps our species grow prosperous.

We are the lucky quintillionths of the universe that are able to perceive the universe. A star, although large and mighty, cannot experience a solar flare, or the last fragment of hydrogen before becoming supernova, or its eventual collapse; these are actions that just happen to occur with its matter. We, however, can witness all that is. We are conscious. It's hard, while in the conscious state, to perceive the overall meaning of consciousness. It's as if you lived in a box, and were trying to figure out what's outside of the box, or if there is even matter at all outside of the box. Understanding death is outside the box.

Death doesn't matter. Death is not the end for you, really, unless you haven't spawned. Even if not, your flesh will still nourish fellow witnesses.

Language is imperfect and subjective. We should all innately know this. Still, I love language. It's the closest thing we have to telepathy. It's why neanderthalensis couldn't make it through the most recent ice age, and we could (the most centripetal difference between us and them is that their throat shape inhibited the development of language, as the hypothesis goes). We can learn much more rapidly, as can we build upon the ideas of those long past. Highly useful. It's quite interesting that within the last few thousand years we've been relying less on the voice and more on the written word. I want to write more on language. I've got... A lot to say. XD

Also, what is the definition of good? It must be life. All six kingdoms agree upon this.

Then go kill yourselves, all of you, if you truly have no reason to live. The world will be better off without you pessimists!

I'm not being serious.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

You are missing the point.
I mean there is no law that forces us to die.
If we would find the key to immortality, God (or anyone else) would NOT pop up and say "Hey, you can't do that!"

Life is too boring as it is, i rather live whatever my life gives me then live forever. Way to make life even more boring. If i had a choice to die now or live forever, i'll take dieing now.