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What are your ideas or theories on Deja Vu ?
Deja Vu being:
"the experience of feeling sure that one has witnessed or experienced a new situation previously"
Generally I will have a mundane short dream of some seemingly normal happening and then forget about it only to recall it again months or years later when the exact same happening occurs in waking reality.
This occurred just the other day with me writing in a post on these forums.
My last few feelings of Deja Vu are reality based. The same situation, same feeling, same person saying or doing the same thing. The events can happen a year or more apart. Makes me think that I really need to change something in my life!
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Generally I will have a mundane short dream of some seemingly normal happening and then forget about it only to recall it again months or years later when the exact same happening occurs in waking reality.
That seems like the most logical. The collection of soo much data stored in our minds. As an occurrence similar to possibly many others, bringing back this feeling of the event unfolding in the now. Maybe giving us the false pretense that we are seeing the future or repeating the same past.
There is too the clairvoyance position that is possible. Multiple lives, multiple universes, psychic and paranormal abilities.
I experience deja vu extremely often. There have been times when I've experienced deja vu for several minutes, and off and on for several hours. I definitely think it has something to do with a slip-up of some sort in the brain, because the times when I've experienced deja vu for hours, my brain was most likely under going something similar to a psychotic episode.
I found this theory interesting...
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In particular, this may result from an overlap between the neurological systems responsible for short-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the present) and those responsible for long-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the past). In other words, the events would be stored into memory before the conscious part of the brain even receives the information and processes it. This would explain why one is, if it ever comes to mind, powerless trying to twist the outcome of the event in order to create a paradox. The delay is only of a few milliseconds, and besides, already happened at the time the conscious of the individual is experiencing it.
However, the strongest pathological association of déjà vu is with temporal lobe epilepsy. This correlation has led some researchers to speculate that the experience of déjà vu is possibly a neurological anomaly related to improper electrical discharge in the brain. As most people suffer a mild (i.e. non-pathological) epileptic episode regularly (e.g. the sudden "jolt", a hypnagogic jerk, that frequently occurs just prior to falling asleep), it is conjectured that a similar (mild) neurological aberration occurs in the experience of déjà vu, resulting in an erroneous sensation of memory.
A while back while waiting for waiting for a doctor I read an article in a magazine. It seemed to believe that it had to do with the groundwork of memory, in the way it is set up.
I can't recall perfectly but basically it was like...you've seen something similar before, so your brain has set it up, and it is two portions of your brain that gets confused. So it generates a feeling of doing something before, but then also has the knowledge that it hasn't, and this is where deja vu comes from, the confusion between the two portions.
Interestingly enough, this is probably the same feeling babies feel when you play peekaboo with them. They have developed the part of their brain that allows them to realize the person couldn't possibly have disappeared, but they can't see their face (thus they believe they have) and now they are confused, which is why they laugh their little asses off when you say peekaboo!
Haha! That reminds me of a hilarious scene from Family Guy. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
*wishes nina would elaborate*Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
Ever hear of Veja Vu?
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=1561986592Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
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Originally Posted by Aquanina
* Hi-Jack*
This still made me laugh so hard - I cry
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4359813
I gotta say, that whoever wrote that sketch has definitely done ipecac before. :barf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupified
What I most note is that the dreams of such are so seemingly insignificant. Mostly doing a normal task like getting something out of a cabinet, or typing something behind the computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
Its not so much what is being done, but the surroundings around the doing that bring the trigger to remembering the dream and thus experiencing the classic definition of deja vu.
Sometines the dreams entail familiar surroundings, other time the dreams involve surroundings totally unknown at the time of the dream. Then later when the experience occurs the relaization of these new surroundings having been in the older dreams arises and is recognized as such.
I dont at the moment recall hearing of it, nor can I seem to find any written reference to such.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Oops, I got it wrong. No wonder no one heard of it.
I meant to say Jamais Vu. It's the opposite of deja vu where you are in a very familiar situation but you cannot seem to know or remember what/who it is, etc.
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yes that does make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
I have experienced something along those lines while driving, looking up after thinking about something and knowing I am in familar surroundings on a road I drive all the time, yet for a brief moment its as if nothing is recognized, like you are somewhere you have never been.
What is weird is the regular occurence of coincidence, and what our brain does with that.
I'm saying this because I always get texts just when i happen to be looking at my phone.
Like just then I hadn't had a text for two hours and checked my phone and one turned up. It happens loads.
Sup with that?
Jung used to associate these incidents with what is called synchronicity. I do not want to elaborate too much on his inference (ie. meaninful coincidences, etc.).
Let me try and show it from my understanding (as I do not think there is any significant scientific research on such a difficult phenomena):
- You make an unconscious effort towards something or an incidental decision (ie. open a door for a girl).
- You tend through time and eventually forget about the girl and what she looks like.
- Eventually, somewhere down the line, you may meet her again and actually start talking to her.
- The sense of deja vu comes and you are not sure but it is because you never truly encoded her to memory in the first place but had a residual idea about her.
Also, I think deja vu can also be the result of an inconsequential action with eventual resolution that was not deliberately taken under your own volition. So, you wanted something to happen and made a remote effort, then left it off. Eventually, on its own, it happens and, because you took a small part in its development, you will have deja vu.
I think Jamais vu might be the willful act of forgetting or the willingness to forget. So, if you are in a familiar situation and suddenly forget where you are; I suspect it might be a novel experience that you are unsure whether or not you want to experience it. Perhaps similar to anxiety.
What do you think...?
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yeah...."coincidence"...ehem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
Synchronicity. :P
How do you approach synchronicity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
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I don't. It approaches me.Quote:
Originally Posted by O'nus
Haven't you guys ever heard that when something like that happens you remember, but when something doesn't happen you disregard it?
Its like...when you do something good no one remembers, when you do something bad, no one ever forgets.
Except chance occurence is something bad, and the thing not happening is somethign good.
How many times have you gotten a text when you weren't looking at your phone? I've always thought it strange when I pick up a phone before it rings, only to find someone on the line, but in reality this has only happened to me a few times in my whole life. Statistically it is a meaningless coincidence but I remember each instance and gave them disproportionate signifigance because they seemed supernatural.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carôusoul
I frequently have been having Deja Vu, since i can remember.
In a different sense though; that I recognize things that have happened in my dreams and they seem to play out in life.
Also doings things in dreams, then waking to find later they didn't happen at all.
Jamais Vu gives me a totally different feeling though.
eg. I wake up in my house and don't recognize it. Also thinking I'm in a different country and finding myself here.
Again, a similar feeling when i wake up in a different position I was just in when I left the dream.
Lucidity is doing strange things to me :shock:
I find that my dreams always last when I wake up, through the weather. Like I'll have an awesome dream, despite being dark and overcast, and then I will wake later and find that the weather is the same in reality, and that actually sustains the feeling of the dream.
Not Deja Vu, but a Coincidence: I was waiting for a text message for ages, then when I did get it, it was like three seconds after I picked up the phone and exactly the same moment my sister screamed in pain from a bee-sting.
Now that I think of this, I look at the clock and it's exactly my bed-time.
And thus, the law of fives remains absolute and all applicable.
What's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Let me re-phrase that; what do you think it is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
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Oh yeah, I understand now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
..wait.. what?
Sometimes I have deja vu where it's more like 'this seems familiar but I don't know why' but there are other times when I remember having that thought, experiencing that event, seeing such and such, etc. in the past, whether in a dream or just some random vision but I can never remember exactly why or when I first had this thought. I KNOW that I've seen that scene at some point before in the past. Almost like a psychic vision.
I think that is more than coincidence, though I regularly experience the phone thing.