Thread: The Law Of Attraction

i ave watched the secret and it has worked in my life a lot!!! <---testimony??

really, the real, final reason for why I'm not part of any collective consciousness is because I don't want to be.
As I've said in previous such threads.

No one and nothing can force me, a conscious and self-aware being to become part of anyone else. And don't make consciousness seem less than what it is. It's still something shared with someone else and I share my mind in no way with anyone and I never will. It is for that reason alone that I am not part of any "universal mind".

Originally Posted by Merlock

really, the real, final reason for why I'm not part of any collective consciousness is because I don't want to be.
As I've said in previous such threads.

No one and nothing can force me, a conscious and self-aware being to become part of anyone else. And don't make consciousness seem less than what it is. It's still something shared with someone else and I share my mind in no way with anyone and I never will. It is for that reason alone that I am not part of any "universal mind".

Any communication with the outside world whatsoever brings you in to the collective consciousness. Your desire one way or the other is of no importance.

Merlock, the essence that is you will return to the same place as the essence that is me eventually. That is inescapably true. You were born a clean slate just as I or anyone else was... of the same essence. What makes you so different that your essence is more unique or special than the rest of us? The only difference between individuals is our gathered experiences, but we all undeniably share the same essence. That's what realization of higher consciousness is. A one-sided story being told from all directions. It's not some metaphysical leap of faith. It is recognition of what steers the ship of each individual incontrovertibly being the same pilot. It's logically within anyone's reach if they just open themselves up to it.

That same energy you spend building walls, can just as easily be put into building bridges.

Somehow though, for whatever reason, the shell you currently inhabit fears sharing it's gathered experiences with the whole, but that isn't the real you talking and that fear won't keep your collected experiences from being added to the essence of the whole. If anything clutching to that fear will make your transition back to the source that much harder for you, in the end.

If you came from the whole at birth, interact with the whole during life, and return to the whole upon death, you can't simply decide to cut ties with it and think that the bond has been severed completely. That is delusional in itself. Ignorance of acknowledging that will only cause you more grief and fear in the end.

Just let go of that false-ego. It's just a shell... or chrysalis to the objective perspective. The ride becomes admittedly more interesting once you stop fighting yourself and let go.

Hah, "my desire is of no importance"?

Anyone or anything that dares stand in my way will be crushed. That's called ambition and dedication. I don't care whether it's another person or an obstacle of existence as a whole. I am myself and I will do as I wish.

So, in essence, the above two posts are saying: "it doesn't matter what you want because existence will overpower you in the end" and I'm saying: "what I want is what matters most to me and thus nothing will stop me from it".

We have a conundrum.

But in essence, you're contradicting your own thread here. You can't possibly know the "big picture" of existence or you wouldn't be here debating it. Thus, the above is only a guess or some baseless deduction, no? Why not be honest about your abilities/knowledge, both of you?

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

Not really. It's something anyone can begin to realize once they stop putting up walls and start looking for the bridges. Even if I only comprehend the the tip of the iceberg in grand terms, I still have seen a part of the iceberg. Something that you deny existing altogether. It's that outright denial and ignorance of that iceberg's existence that you stand, breathe, and contemplate on and in that is more contradictory, don't you think?

You can fight it all you want. Just remember that in the end, the prison you put yourself in is made by and of no one other than yourself and your own fears.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Hah, "my desire is of no importance"?

Anyone or anything that dares stand in my way will be crushed. That's called ambition and dedication. I don't care whether it's another person or an obstacle of existence as a whole. I am myself and I will do as I wish.

So, in essence, the above two posts are saying: "it doesn't matter what you want because existence will overpower you in the end" and I'm saying: "what I want is what matters most to me and thus nothing will stop me from it".

We have a conundrum.

But in essence, you're contradicting your own thread here. You can't possibly know the "big picture" of existence or you wouldn't be here debating it. Thus, the above is only a guess or some baseless deduction, no? Why not be honest about your abilities/knowledge, both of you?

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

I am by no means saying nature will over power you. I'm saying by communicating, you are willfully becoming part of the collective consciousness. In theory you could choose to not be a part of it; but it would require you to remove yourself from any and all exchange of information, also known as killing yourself. Of course this would only prevent any further contribution to the collective consciousness, you can't take back what you have already contributed.

Solskye, why do you fluff up almost all of your posts with useless pictures?

Originally Posted by Merlock

Edit: Hm, well, since I've departed from the R/S forum with this "experiment", I guess I'll stop "debating" it here too. This really does get tiring.

The reason you'd feel tired is because it takes more energy to put up those walls and secure the cracks in those walls than it does to simply tear them down and take it all in.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

So you have this abundance of knowledge... But can't use it...

Well that's just ignorance.

Well yes it would be ignorance, but that is not what I am implying. Perhaps you derived my "abundance of knowledge" from when I said "from this knowledge does abundance be recognized". But what I meant was, that "from knowing this, you will recognize the abundance of the Universe".

And again, I suggest you ask specifically to your advantage.

Originally Posted by Mark75

My mistake. It can delete the words contained in the post. Have I found your favor now, sensei?

No; going this far, I'd prefer to stop arguing.

Originally Posted by NonDualistic

The individual is from before the beginning, and continues through to after the end.

Where do you get this statement from; can you please explain it?

I still believe there is a Universal Mind, but not in terms of collective.

Originally Posted by Stryk9

my only concern with this supposed "law" is that it places onus of negative events on the victim, essentially saying that if a women is raped it is her fault for attracting such a thing. I can't support that, and though i beleive that positive thinking is a huge asset personally, the whole idea of a hard and true law seems empty to me.

We should not judge, anybody or try to understand a situation we are not in, in this context, because we do not know what thoughts they exercise; what deeds they have done in the past, nor what understanding and viewpoint they have of their recent consequences. We are not them; so we may never understand. On the other hand, there are people who preach their experiences to us, knowing that the Truth is the cause for their light.

The quality of thought determines the quality of the experience. If we have become someone different through thinking differently, this will change our destiny. So applies to a majority, if a majority think the same, the majority shall attract the same and better. The most famous celebrities are not concerned about how they look in a movie; how fat they are; they may be more concerned about the social impact of their paparazzi.

What I find amusing is that there are people who see the power of positive thinking and the placebo effect, yet some ignore any acceptation of Faith and the Law Of Attraction.

Originally Posted by awoke

true story... I grew up really poor. when I was young we hit a particularly low point, and had no food to eat. we were all hungry obviously, so my mom, being really religious at the time, got us together and we all prayed for food. 10 minutes later a guy we'd never seen before knocked on our door with Pizza, said he bought too many pizzas, and wanted to know if we'd like a few of them. fell a sleep on a full stomach.

Perfect example. This is the reward of Faith. One must not provide themselves with reasons why things are not working, because negative impressions on the mind are false, and lead us away from the Truth. Knowing that prayer and infinite wisdom are always available, we shall benefit from them when in put into proper practice. Knowing that making reasons for doubt only makes more, but making reasons for Truth shall take you further.

Originally Posted by awoke

"God" doesn't care if you're praying to him, or just sending energy out into the universe. its all the same. God is the universe. we just slapped dogma on it and passed a collection plate around.

Right. Another misconception is that God is a person, but indeed he is not. He is a metaphor, a Father of all things. He does not judge like a human.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Just let go of that false-ego. It's just a shell... or chrysalis to the objective perspective. The ride becomes admittedly more interesting once you stop fighting yourself and let go

You yourself seem to at times have a pretty firm grasp on the "need to be right" "false ego", if you havnt noticed.

I myself am seeing in this view that the term "collective" as applied to consciousness or uncounscious, is a misnomer. There is in my view nothing collective about it.
The term Collective would insinuate that there is a separation, a dichotomy. between self an other. This would also insinuate that there is a need for all these parts to be strung together to make up the collective body, or mind. Not so in my view.

Rather than a collective, the view is the opposite of collective. All that is seen is a dispersement of one whole. Even then, the suggestive meaning in such a description is skewed. It is more a dispersement in perception only, as perception can only be gained by such a dispersement.

The iceberg analogy must be seen as the whole of the iceberg as being consciousness, not a collective, the whole unit.
What is above the water is the active perception. What is below the water is the inactive perception. there, but hidden and somewhat dormant, though not entirely, until the active recognizes it and starts to awaken it more and more.

There is no division in view, of the active and the dormant, both are one in the same. This is where I side with Merlock in there being no collective. As I said, in my view "collective" is a major misnomer.

There is more to be said on this , but not at this moment.

We all have the ego to some extent, yourself included. It helps to be aware of it. It can serve us at times and hurt us at others. In this particular case, however, I can honestly say I didn't post here in the hopes to feel the "need to be right", as you put it. I could've worded things a lot more harshly if I honestly felt the need to take the ego trip.

I just feel like closing one's self off to feeling that connection to all things and building up walls to seek sanctuary from the comfort of their shell, is a limited and rough way to go about looking at life. I would propose that most problems in this world occur from people thinking themselves separate than others enough to not try to internalize another point of view or look at it from the other person's perspective, wouldn't you agree? You know, "the shoe on the other foot" way of looking at things.

In any event, about the ego trip, that was a misperception on your part.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

We all have the ego to some extent, yourself included. It helps to be aware of it. It can serve us at times and hurt us at others. In this particular case, however, I can honestly say I didn't post here in the hopes to feel the "need to be right", as you put it. I could've worded things a lot more harshly if I honestly felt the need to take the ego trip.

I wasnt commenting on such described ego state presemce in this particular post, just a statement of past observation.

I just feel like closing one's self off to feeling that connection to all things and building up walls to seek sanctuary from the comfort of their shell, is a limited and rough way to go about looking at life. I would propose that most problems in this world occur from people thinking themselves separate than others enough to not try to internalize another point of view or look at it from the other person's perspective, wouldn't you agree? You know, "the shoe on the other foot" way of looking at things.

Yes I would agree. My endeavor is to define this point of connection, and to define such within my own view more specifically. When I can watch discussions and alternate descriptions of things being discussed, if I "internalize" the two parties doing the discussing or commenting I can then see more clearly what it is I am looking at in my own perspective, or "this" particular perspective as the case may be.- or what it is that is in my own "or this" view that is focused on.

In any event, about the ego trip, that was a misperception on your part.

Given what I said above, perhaps rather it was your misperception of what I was referring to?