Thread: The Law Of Attraction

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

WTF.

I want my life to be a physical chicken. WAIT, THATS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.

Screw you. I'll take a nicer tone when you logically and rationally debunk my arguments.

Til then, F' off.


[any mods viewing this: if you want me to edit out this post, I will, but I hope you understand the frustration at that response to a well thought out argument]

The tone of most your posts speak for themselves and show a true lack of understanding on many a level.

As I've already said countless times, If you continually look outside yourself for answers you will find none. If you look outside for justification and purpose, you will also find none...

Clearly, your conclusion for life, among many other things, comes from having a lack of perspective. You, like others on here, are focusing way too much on the results reached through outer observation. Without the ability to have perspective enough to observe both inner and outer discourse in perfect accordance with one another, you will be left unable to find the purpose in the lack of purpose-- unable to enjoy the contradictions of life. Inabilities, which are evident in your vocalized frustrations.

Time and experience naturally bring one into perspective. You, like many others in here, are still pretty young. Yeah, I know when we are young we all like to think that age doesn't matter, but it does. Otherwise, we wouldn't assign the meaningless digits to ourselves, in the first place. I remember being in the exact same mindset as most of you are at 15-16-- thinking I had the whole world all figured out, and how experience and age didn't count for sh:t. I even dated a girl 10 years older than me for 2 years thinking it didn't matter because I was ahead of the game. Trust me, it does matter. Sure, there are some exceptions in eloquence, education, and edification of one's character... But overall, we pretty much think the same things during the different stages of our life.

I'm sure as much as you don't want to admit it, deep down you must know your way of viewing the world is askew. Just as everyone's is. If you didn't allow for the existence of error and self-doubt, that certainty of life being pathetic and pointless would've had you kill yourself long ago. Whether you admit it to me or not, I know you don't fully believe what you just preached and must leave room to be proved wrong somewhere in the back of your mind. Which in this case, you are clearly wrong...you just haven't found your purpose, yet.

Hows that... Pretty much hits the nail on the head, no?

Please allow me to share one my favorite japanese proverbs...
一時が万事
(Direct translation: One moment, 10 thousand things)
(Indirect translation: The ability to comprehend many other things, from looking at just one thing, especially from human action or words)

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Yeah, I know when we are young we all like to think that age doesn't matter, but it does. If not, we wouldn't assign the meaningless digits to ourselves, in the first place. I remember being in the exact same mindset as most of you are at 15-16-- thinking I had the whole world all figured out, and how experience and age didn't count for sh:t.

Well, I hesitate to believe your generalizations from the outset, seeing as I am acutely aware of my current limitations. I am still a child, by all accounts, in my formative years, and I am obviously not completely mentally or emotionally mature.

But there's no shame in that, and I will endeavor to shape myself and my beliefs as best I can given the circumstances.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

As I've already said countless times, If you continually look outside yourself for answers you will find none. If you look outside for justification and purpose, you will also find none...

Some people mature by looking 'into themselves', as you say, but I don't believe that everyone does - I'm already deviating from the path you followed when you were my age. I believe that it is simply in my nature to seek logic and external verification of truths, and unless I experience a major change in my mental characteristics this will likely never change.

However, I'm still curious - I have a good general idea of what you mean by 'look into yourself', but I really don't understand specifically what sort of action you're referring to. Meditation? What do you propose to learn from this shift in attention?

Personally, I don't feel anyone can truly mature without real reflection and internalization. Unfortunately, one cannot magically reach profound understanding or growth without feeding their mind internally. Also, there's no one way to tell someone how to turn inward, they just have to do it for themselves. In any event, I think you are ahead of most for your age, if that counts for anything.

Among other things, it took me to actually feel the music in an indescribable way to change my priorities. Personally, if I didn't find music and other outlets of perceptual expansion I'd probably be on my original path of dull and dreary computer programmer. Obviously, in order to learn C++ I had to have some sense of logic. Now, I use a different kind of flowing intuitive logic for music making and the other things in my life.

Imagine yourself as a ball tied to a chain of perception:
The more you focus on the act of perceiving, the longer the chain gets, and the more you are able to internally perceive.
And, the more you are able to internally perceive, the less you get caught up in or tied down to limited external perceptions.

The converse:
The less you focus on the act of perceiving, the shorter the chain gets, and the less you are able to internally perceive.
And, The less you are able to internally perceive, the more you get caught up in or tied down to limited external perceptions.

...Now objectively speaking, I dont think one way is necessarily better than the other. I just personally feel, since the constant in both of those situations is yourself, it brings up the legitimate question of; Why concentrate more on the external if what's really steering the experience is ending up going off to the wayside during that time? Whether you become an astro-physicist, a baseball player, a serial killer, or a porn star... neither path you go down really has any more or less significance than the other... all that really matters is how you perceive any given moment. What people should ask themselves is; Am I striving to forget myself, or remember?

Hi

How do you explain the different perceptions of what is 'good' and 'bad' between individuals? Because this statement implies absolute morality, and if morality is an absolute, then when two people disagree - "kicking that rock is wrong", says Bob, and "no, it's right", says Susan - then one of them must be wrong. Are you aware of the implications?

Yes. But somewhere, there could well be somebody putting a rock back.

To suggest one of the two options is right and one is wrong narrows it down, it suggests the balance is decide by the individuals involved at that instant. If Bob says "kicking the rock is wrong" and susan says "no, it's right", there is no way of knowing. Kicking the rock may well be right...

What I'm suggesting is that overall, everything equalises.

To be honest good and bad was probably a rather poor way of illustrating it.

I'm going to try not to attack you on this, but simply ask - what or why makes you say this? Do you fully comprehend the nature of evolution? It is a VERY powerful process.

Evolution is indeed powerful, but despite the fact we share a lot of a our genetic make up with apes, they coexist. Evolution is usually a chain where the previous 'model' eventually dies out. Hence we don't have (many ) cavemen kicking around.

I'm not trying to bring religion or faith into things as I don't believe in it myself. But I personally think there must be some kind of direction that has been applied to our evolution to reach this.

By what, I don't know. Why, again, I don't know. But if I did the rest of my existence would be pretty pointless wouldn't it? Almost like having the answers before the start of a quiz.

Regards

Ric

Originally Posted by Ric W

By what, I don't know. Why, again, I don't know. But if I did the rest of my existence would be pretty pointless wouldn't it? Almost like having the answers before the start of a quiz.

If you don't have the answers before the quiz, it means you haven't been studying. Are you saying you want to fail existence?

Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

You can segregate all you want.

Do you create anything?

You only transform Energy, and Space. You only infer Time.

A child would understand this concept.

Did you know, it is common practice for expecting mothers to attend hypnotherapy, so that there will be no pain whatsoever during labour.

How about the peddlers that tread heated cobbles.

Women lifting cars in intense moments of andrenaline and stress.

That's in your reality isn't it? Or is that my imagination that people do these things.

I'd add something offensively witty... but i'm on an all love routine. Trying to cut back on dualism... it kills, you know.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

The tone of most your posts speak for themselves and show a true lack of understanding on many a level.

As I've already said countless times, If you continually look outside yourself for answers you will find none. If you look outside for justification and purpose, you will also find none...

Clearly, your conclusion for life, among many other things, comes from having a lack of perspective. You, like others on here, are focusing way too much on the results reached through outer observation. Without the ability to have perspective enough to observe both inner and outer discourse in perfect accordance with one another, you will be left unable to find the purpose in the lack of purpose-- unable to enjoy the contradictions of life. Inabilities, which are evident in your vocalized frustrations.

Time and experience naturally bring one into perspective. You, like many others in here, are still pretty young. Yeah, I know when we are young we all like to think that age doesn't matter, but it does. Otherwise, we wouldn't assign the meaningless digits to ourselves, in the first place. I remember being in the exact same mindset as most of you are at 15-16-- thinking I had the whole world all figured out, and how experience and age didn't count for sh:t. I even dated a girl 10 years older than me for 2 years thinking it didn't matter because I was ahead of the game. Trust me, it does matter. Sure, there are some exceptions in eloquence, education, and edification of one's character... But overall, we pretty much think the same things during the different stages of our life.

I'm sure as much as you don't want to admit it, deep down you must know your way of viewing the world is askew. Just as everyone's is. If you didn't allow for the existence of error and self-doubt, that certainty of life being pathetic and pointless would've had you kill yourself long ago. Whether you admit it to me or not, I know you don't fully believe what you just preached and must leave room to be proved wrong somewhere in the back of your mind. Which in this case, you are clearly wrong...you just haven't found your purpose, yet.

Hows that... Pretty much hits the nail on the head, no?

Please allow me to share one my favorite japanese proverbs...
一時が万事
(Direct translation: One moment, 10 thousand things)
(Indirect translation: The ability to comprehend many other things, from looking at just one thing, especially from human action or words)

No.Alright, I'll stop with hostility.

I remain unclear what looking into yourself is.



What different aspect? I know its been said.. but like, meditation..? Or what..


I think your underrating scientific observation as furthering the truth.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

Ifinity, Mathematically is not static. Hence it isn't just like a very big number you can add to another in that sense.

In one sense however, you're right.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You can segregate all you want.

Alright. Cheers.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Do you create anything?

No. I change things that are already here.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You only transform Energy, and Space. You only infer Time.

Exactly

Originally Posted by ClouD

Did you know, it is common practice for expecting mothers to attend hypnotherapy, so that there will be no pain whatsoever during labour.

Wow. Didn't know that. Real relevant though.

Originally Posted by ClouD

How about the peddlers that tread heated cobbles.

Women lifting cars in intense moments of andrenaline and stress.

Women do that? Cool. Examples? please?

Originally Posted by ClouD

That's in your reality isn't it? Or is that my imagination that people do these things.

Might be

Originally Posted by Mark75

If you don't have the answers before the quiz, it means you haven't been studying. Are you saying you want to fail existence?

We're all going to fail existence. We will have existed... but we die.

Ric

don't worry i'll pray for you

Fail.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Fail.

Possibly.... but I don't think you are qualified to pass judgement on me. Nor I to judge you.

Do you mark everything before it has reached its conclusion? If you miss the end with a book or film, you often miss the best bits.

I'll mark myself, thank you, when I take my last breath.

Regards

Ric

Just to try and bring more seriousness to this place again (come on, just look at the posts above... What are you guys, toddlers?), I've decided to post here.

Now, I don't have the time nor the desire to go through all these pages, so I don't know whether this has been said before, but I have my own little 'theory' about this "law of attraction". Forgive me if it has already been said before, I swear: I haven't ripped you off... It's just that this theory is so very simple that everyone could've thought of this.


So, let's get it started in here, a'ight?

When you want something, I mean when you REALLY REALLY want something, or when you're thinking about it more than normal, you'll remember you want it.

Now if you remember you want something, AND if you want said thing REALLY REALLY bad, you'll DO MORE to get it than at other times.

Example: if I want to earn much money, and I mean if I REALLY REALLY want money... I'll jump at any chance that has the potential to earn me money. Therefore, there is a higher chance that I'll get rich.
Therefore: SUCCESS!!!

Another example, one we're all probably familliar with, at least more than with the money one:
Say I'm in love with this girl (or guy, whatever floats your boat), and I want her REALLY REALLY bad (which is the case, isn't it... that's the whole point of 'being in love'), then I'll jump at any opportunity to get her to notice me, (or not, but then I'd be discussing Freud... Who is interesting too, but not for now (just PM me/mail me/msn me, a'ight?)). As such, I'll end up being nice to her, helping her, talking to her (more than anyone), and simply being with her.
This way, I'll (probably) get her to notice and/or like me, and if not, I'll just change my methods to suit her liking.
In the end, she has more potential of falling in love with me, than any other person in the room.
Therefore: SUCCESS!!!

If you want something really bad, it's more than obvious that you'll try to accomplish this. And I assume it gets more likely that you'll actually end up with said goal when you try.

The same with positive thinking and (sometimes) arrogantly/egoistically thinking: when you think negative ('Ahhh, it's never going to work'), then it won't simply because you're too pessimistic just to MAKE IT WANT TO WORK, and when you think egoistically, it's just obvious YOU are gonna get more fortune than the person next to you...

Man, I should go write my own books...



Oh! And by the way, just something that bothered me:

If anyone has read the synopsis of the booklet 'the secret' and has also found out that Plato and even Socrates, the great Greek philosophers, supposedly practised this "as evidence from ancient texts pointed out", then I have a little fact for you to consider: Both Plato as well as Socrates did not practise 'the secret'. They themselves had written down that most (if not all) of their good ideas were 'channeled' through them by a "δαίμων" (Daimoon, also known as Daemon or Demon in modern times), this was supposed to be a creature of supernatural origin, which were the messengers between the mortals and the gods. You might look at them as though they were muses (just to illustrate: Eros, or the roman Cupido (Cupid), the bringer of love, was concidered to be a Daimon). Later, however, most profoundly in the Christian religion, these spirits of (originally) benevolence developed into the modern day "Demons", or evil spirits.

Yes... Lots of things bother me... Especially people who USE old philosophers to their own ends, by presenting their theories in the wrong way (have I mentioned this guy and his book 'the power of Now'? That guy uses Descartes' 'cogito ergo sum' VERY WRONG, indeed)

But that's a sidetrack... And a rather long one too...
I could've just described Freud's theory here too, no?

Oh well... There's always a next time (or PM, if you're really impatient... or of course the 'law of attraction' )


But anyway: Byebye, guys! Cheers and well wishes from the Netherlands!!!

~CD



I should make my own rant-topic...
hmmmmm...

Originally Posted by Ric W

Possibly.... but I don't think you are qualified to pass judgement on me. Nor I to judge you.

Do you mark everything before it has reached its conclusion? If you miss the end with a book or film, you often miss the best bits.

I'll mark myself, thank you, when I take my last breath.

Regards

Ric

Was refering to clouds lack of response.

Assumption on my part. Sorry.

i've also stopped pretending dualism

id rather not bother reply, you'll eventually see through the illusion.

Originally Posted by ClouD

i've also stopped pretending dualism

id rather not bother reply, you'll eventually see through the illusion.

I wuv you.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I wuv you.

why do i doubt that

Originally Posted by ClouD

why do i doubt that

I wuv you wiv all ov mi hart.

Why is this thread still going?

The Secret is like a giant wave of shit, and it's flooding my country.
People are literally drowning in shit around here.

Please help me.

Be still, be alone.

My only advice, go insane.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Why is this thread still going?

The Secret is like a giant wave of shit, and it's flooding my country.
People are literally drowning in shit around here.

Please help me.

LOL...I wholeheartedly agree.

People are unknowingly jumping from one method of control to another. Choosing to become prey to simple rules of power. Allow me to share an apt quote from the book of power...

Law 32- Play to People's Fantasies
"The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses."

"Remember: The key to fantasy is distance. The distant has allure and promise, seems simple and problem free. What you are offering, then, should be ungraspable. Never let it become oppressively familiar; it is the mirage in the distance, withdrawing as the sucker approaches. Never be too direct in describing the fantasy-- keep it vague. As a forger of fantasies, let your victim come close enough to see and be tempted, but keep him far away enough that he stays dreaming and desiring."

See? Simple power plays done in order to control the lemmings...

Originally Posted by ClouD

Be still, be alone.

My only advice, go insane.

Crazy is, majority rules...So, what exactly is sanity without a control group to base it's so-called 'offshoots' from?

"Why, yes; and not exactly that either. The fact is, we have all been a good deal puzzled because the affair is so simple, and yet baffles us altogether." -- Edgar Allan Poe, The Purloined Letter

Originally Posted by thegnome54

You don't gather knowledge from personal experiences. You gather it through science.

You're right, but how about this - how can science exist without experience?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

The tone of most your posts speak for themselves and show a true lack of understanding on many a level.

[...]

Hows that... Pretty much hits the nail on the head, no?

Please allow me to share one my favorite japanese proverbs...
一時が万事
(Direct translation: One moment, 10 thousand things)
(Indirect translation: The ability to comprehend many other things, from looking at just one thing, especially from human action or words)

Hey, you know I am genuinely interested in on of your posts, and I asked you a question about it. But you'd prefer to reply to someone who shows a bit of hostility? Why don't you pay a bit more attention on what matters instead of over complicating things with your arguments? Help me out here.


I'd prefer if we all would stop bagging "The Secret" and really just talk about The Law Of Attraction. Thanks.

Originally Posted by really

You're right, but how about this - how can science exist without experience?

Of course it can't, but that's not the point.

You can't make an arrowhead without a rock, but not all rocks can be used to make arrowheads.