Thread: The Law Of Attraction

To not believe in the afterlife makes death a very scary thing. I cant actually understand how there couldnt be life after death, to disbelieve in it you might as well be a 100% aethiest (did i spell that right)?

If the aethiests world were true, what would be the point even being alive? you would live in constant fear, death theoretically could come to anyone at any moment. I for one would be scared shitless if we just turn to dust and cease to exist at that.

Originally Posted by Swank

To not believe in the afterlife makes death a very scary thing. I cant actually understand how there couldnt be life after death, to disbelieve in it you might as well be a 100% aethiest (did i spell that right)?

If the aethiests world were true, what would be the point even being alive? you would live in constant fear, death theoretically could come to anyone at any moment. I for one would be scared shitless if we just turn to dust and cease to exist at that.

What would be the point in being alive if you are a theist? If you believe in the afterlife, then you should welcome death.

Because of the overwhelming variables that make me inclined to atheism more than theism, I feel I appreciate life more because of the idea that there could be no afterlife. (These may not be my actual beliefs, but I am more inclined to atheism than theism)
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Dominantly right brained people v.s. Dominantly left brained people

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Dominantly right brained people v.s. Dominantly left brained people

Left-brained people vs. full-brained people.

Originally Posted by Swank

To not believe in the afterlife makes death a very scary thing. I cant actually understand how there couldnt be life after death, to disbelieve in it you might as well be a 100% aethiest (did i spell that right)?

If the aethiests world were true, what would be the point even being alive? you would live in constant fear, death theoretically could come to anyone at any moment. I for one would be scared shitless if we just turn to dust and cease to exist at that.

Yeah, you're basically proving my point here.

I'm more or less convinced now that a majority of these beliefs I would consider 'delusional' and 'made up' stem from basic human fears of mortality.

There is no 'point' to being alive, death can come at any moment - just like the bugs you crush and the animals which are killed by predators daily - and yes, death is scary until you get used to it. That doesn't keep me from enjoying life, though. I don't need a purpose handed to me, I can make my own.

But if everything you do is pointless by giving yourself purpose your essentially doing the same thing as theists.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

But if everything you do is pointless by giving yourself purpose your essentially doing the same thing as theists.

No... setting a goal for yourself is not at all the same as contending that there is an invisible man who gave you one.

There is no purpose.

Only... there is process... flux.

If something has no end, it has no purpose.

If you were to bring up a child, teaching him that 1 + 1 = 1, he would believe it.
He would theorise from that very stem.

How is logic right?
Why do we accept such at face value?

How can we say that anything is anything? We can't.

We can't comprehend infinity with logic, yet logic claims it most logical for the universe to be so, unless of course.. you believe otherwise?

Other than that... i don't care.
I'll pretend to, for the sake of nothing.

Originally Posted by ClouD

There is no purpose.



If something has no end, it has no purpose.

For the whole of the infinite perhaps, but there "Can Be" purpose on a relative level pertaining to finite points held within the infinite.

Problem with the secret:

Book claims that we have enough power in our body to illuminate a whole city for around a week.

Considering a typical 2000 calorie intake/day, this equates about 100 watts (96.85).

Even during an entire 70-year life time, we expend 70x52x100 watts-weeks of energy. Thus, 364 000 watts.

If each house used 1000 watts on average per day, the human can only provide for 364 households. Is that a city..?

Thanks to Skeptic for pointing out details.
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Originally Posted by thegnome54

No... setting a goal for yourself is not at all the same as contending that there is an invisible man who gave you one.

Im starting to understand where you are coming from...slowly. I dont consider myself a theist as such. Although the idea that we are aware of our own consciousness just through evolution, and that it doesnt really mean anything beyond that, just doesnt seem right to me.

You can really take the is it worth living thing from both perspectives: An athiest believes in nothing apart from the physical, therefore they could either enjoy the fact that they are aware of their own cons. and know that at any time its all over and means nothing, or see the meaningless of life and see their life as pointless; A theist believes in other dimensions/jesus the saviour/any sort of other force or power, and therefore could either see meaning in life as doing what their beliefs/religion deems as 'the correct way to live' and being happy that they are following what they believe is how to live life properly, or feeling like a failure if they do something that they think is against the will of god or what is supposed to be the correct thing to do.

The other day I had a long conversation about all of this with a friend at work whos a pretty hardcore Christadelphian. After an hour long debate we decided we should probably serve the angry looking customers (and that it doesnt matter what your beliefs about life are, if you can derive your own happiness from those beliefs, then in the end it doesnt matter whos right and whos wrong)

So yeah I dunno. Until some freaky supernatural shit goes down, we really wont know if theres an absolute truth to anything.

Originally Posted by Swank

To not believe in the afterlife makes death a very scary thing. I cant actually understand how there couldnt be life after death, to disbelieve in it you might as well be a 100% aethiest (did i spell that right)?

I can't understand how there could be life after death. You work under the assumption we are special, we are different. There is something there that is not on the rock on the beach. In fact I'm afraid the evidence points to the fact that no, we are not special, whatsoever. We are simply a different forming of the same molecules making everything else. Our mind is a collection of electrical impulses and formulas creating what we would refer to as the illusion of the soul. Research into alsymers patients has shown this incredibly well. I will divulge in a later post, if you're interested.


I personally would find it far more scary if there was no death. Very scary indeed.

Originally Posted by Swank

If the aethiests world were true, what would be the point even being alive? you would live in constant fear, death theoretically could come to anyone at any moment. I for one would be scared shitless if we just turn to dust and cease to exist at that.

What would be the point in being alive in a theists world? If we lived for eternity, I'd of thought that would be rather pointless itself.

Death can come at any moment. Look out

I don't live in constant fear? In fact If I'm not mistaken the term "god-fearing" seems to imply more of a constantly fearing existence

We turn to dust, and its wonderful.

Originally Posted by ClouD

There is no purpose.

Right. Not in the long run, maybe.

Originally Posted by ClouD

If you were to bring up a child, teaching him that 1 + 1 = 1, he would believe it.

No he wouldnt.

What you are doing here cloud, is treating mathematics and logic as science, and fact. Which it isn't.

There is a level of udnerstanding that goes into mathematics which far surpasses anything else we know of. You could indeed teach a child "1+1=1" and they would believe you, BUT they would simply remember this as a formula, the application in the real world, would count for shit.

I f that child, who when asked 1+1? will answer 1, if he sees 1 apple, and adds one to it, he sees two apples. Hence he understands inherently aand knows that 1+1=2. What he has been taught is abstract to the real world application of mathematics.

So in short No. He would not.

Originally Posted by ClouD

He would theorise from that very stem.

How is logic right?

How ISN'T logic right?!

Originally Posted by ClouD

Why do we accept such at face value?

How can we say that anything is anything? We can't.

Yes we can. Anything is anything. There. That is true. Anything really IS anything!

Originally Posted by ClouD

We can't comprehend infinity with logic, yet logic claims it most logical for the universe to be so, unless of course.. you believe otherwise?

I can comprehend infinity with logic.. :s Can't you?

If you feel the need we can start another topic on that.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Other than that... i don't care.
I'll pretend to, for the sake of nothing.

Good way to live.

Originally Posted by NonDualist

For the whole of the infinite perhaps, but there "Can Be" purpose on a relative level pertaining to finite points held within the infinite.

I agree. Odd that.

Carousel: refer to my last post

but yes, i do know what you mean.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I can't understand how there could be life after death.

Do you understand how there is even life in the first place?

Originally Posted by blade5x

Do you understand how there is even life in the first place?

Yes. Don't you?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Yes. Don't you?

Please enlighten me. I'm not talking about evolution. I'm talking existence in general.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Please enlighten me. I'm not talking about evolution. I'm talking existence in general.

Existence in general I can't explain. I don't think anyone can. Either way the existence of life doesn't equate to existence in general..



First you went entirely tangental from my point, seen as understanding that there can't be life after death has nothing to do with understanding of how life in general started.

I take evidence and what I can test to be true. I'm sure you probably take the "vibrations" or aura to be far more valuable than rational testing could ever be, and that's just fine.

Either way, what is this obsession with "life" everyone seems so hung up on. It isn't some miraculous amazing god given thing. There is no sanctity of life, as catholics would have you believe.

The tiny single cell amoeba is life. There is nothing mystical or sacred to the life here. It simply respirates and excretes. Well done. It must be magikk.


Life isn't so special. Scientists are pretty certain on the creation of life, and it makes far more sense than any theory we would like to believe, because I admit. It's a bit of anti-climax, this whole science thing. I would love to believe life was part of some magical eternal cycle, or the gift of some divine being. But really, that is just idle fantasy. Learn this.



As far as life after death goes. Life is literally the physical processes of our body; the respiratory system, the digestory system, the brain and the millions of neurons making up our behaviour and personality. THIS IS LIFE.

When we die, this all stops; we are buried, and we rot. This is all proven and documented, as you well know.

Dump the preconception that life is somehow special. It is just another different combination of atoms, just like the rock, or the galaxy.

It isn't even complex, its a pathetic conclusion of a flawed world.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I can't understand how there could be life after death. You work under the assumption we are special, we are different. There is something there that is not on the rock on the beach. In fact I'm afraid the evidence points to the fact that no, we are not special, whatsoever. We are simply a different forming of the same molecules making everything else. Our mind is a collection of electrical impulses and formulas creating what we would refer to as the illusion of the soul. Research into alsymers patients has shown this incredibly well. I will divulge in a later post, if you're interested.


I personally would find it far more scary if there was no death. Very scary indeed.




What would be the point in being alive in a theists world? If we lived for eternity, I'd of thought that would be rather pointless itself.

Death can come at any moment. Look out

I don't live in constant fear? In fact If I'm not mistaken the term "god-fearing" seems to imply more of a constantly fearing existence

We turn to dust, and its wonderful.






Right. Not in the long run, maybe.





No he wouldnt.

What you are doing here cloud, is treating mathematics and logic as science, and fact. Which it isn't.

There is a level of udnerstanding that goes into mathematics which far surpasses anything else we know of. You could indeed teach a child "1+1=1" and they would believe you, BUT they would simply remember this as a formula, the application in the real world, would count for shit.

I f that child, who when asked 1+1? will answer 1, if he sees 1 apple, and adds one to it, he sees two apples. Hence he understands inherently aand knows that 1+1=2. What he has been taught is abstract to the real world application of mathematics.

So in short No. He would not.




How ISN'T logic right?!




Yes we can. Anything is anything. There. That is true. Anything really IS anything!



I can comprehend infinity with logic.. :s Can't you?

If you feel the need we can start another topic on that.



Good way to live.




I agree. Odd that.

Lulz, Overkill.

Agreed, though.

Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

You can segregate all you want.

Do you create anything?

You only transform Energy, and Space. You only infer Time.

A child would understand this concept.

Did you know, it is common practice for expecting mothers to attend hypnotherapy, so that there will be no pain whatsoever during labour.

How about the peddlers that tread heated cobbles.

Women lifting cars in intense moments of andrenaline and stress.

That's in your reality isn't it? Or is that my imagination that people do these things.

I'd add something offensively witty... but i'm on an all love routine. Trying to cut back on dualism... it kills, you know.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

Ifinity, Mathematically is not static. Hence it isn't just like a very big number you can add to another in that sense.

In one sense however, you're right.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You can segregate all you want.

Alright. Cheers.

Originally Posted by ClouD

Do you create anything?

No. I change things that are already here.

Originally Posted by ClouD

You only transform Energy, and Space. You only infer Time.

Exactly

Originally Posted by ClouD

Did you know, it is common practice for expecting mothers to attend hypnotherapy, so that there will be no pain whatsoever during labour.

Wow. Didn't know that. Real relevant though.

Originally Posted by ClouD

How about the peddlers that tread heated cobbles.

Women lifting cars in intense moments of andrenaline and stress.

Women do that? Cool. Examples? please?

Originally Posted by ClouD

That's in your reality isn't it? Or is that my imagination that people do these things.

Might be