Thread: The Law Of Attraction

Originally Posted by illusions

Hi Solskye

I didn't think of answering because I get the impression from your posts that you're not really interested in genuinely finding out more information on the subject, but are simply airing your views - which is fine of course, but I didn't think you were really wanting an answer.

So, apologies for missing any genuine request for information, and here's my reply.

Yours is of course one of many many many beliefs about how the world and life works (as is mine). As I've said before, I have no desire to convince anyone to believe what I believe because I believe that each of us chooses what makes sense them, and I'm quite happy to "believe and let believe" lol.

I used to believe that when something good happened, it would be balanced by something bad, and visa-versa. I used to believe something similar to "Everyone and everything gets balanced out and reaches it's own comeuppance...there simply is no free lunch." ... and I used to believe in Karma and the plight of humanity.... amongst a lot of other beliefs. I've lived in fear, I've suffered from depression, I've come close to "checking out" just so I could come face-to-face with whoever or whatever put me here, I've lived in guilt (for other's mistakes and behaviour as well as my own), I've gone through "punishment" for things I was not responsible for, I've subscribed to numerous limitting beliefs, I've tried to help to "save the world" in the small ways I thought I could and the ways in which I was led to believe I could, I've "sacrificed", and I've "paid my dues" in various ways.

Then, through various life experience, struggle, drama, dissilusionment, discovery, dissappointment, reading, talking to others, finding out about things that puzzled me and didn't make sense, my beliefs started to change. I started noticing, amongst many other things, that there ARE indeed people (I know some personally) who are happy, get what they want (in all areas of life, including material posessions and wealth), and miraculously go through their lives without getting any kind of "come-uppance". Most of them give to one or more charity, and many are lovely people. The common denominators seemed to be (in order of apparant effect) 1. Self Esteem and Self Love; 2. Focusing on what feels good, not on what is "wrong"; 3. A belief that each of us is able to choose how we react to something; and 4. Accepting good and feeling comfortable with receiving.

"Struggle", "hard work", "self sacrifice" and any kind of focus on what was "wrong" did not seem to be part of their experience.

But apart from that, I just started finding that my previous beliefs (along with the religions I'd come across) just didn't make sense to me. It was like finding out that Father Christmas doesn't exist (except it wasn't a bad thing lol) - it was so obvious to me once I found out. Of course, presumably you (and many others) would see my beliefs as "Father Christmas" lol.

Let's face it, as I've said several times before, there is no absolute proof of the "Ultimate Truth". There is only subjective experience and heresay, and therefore what makes sense to the individual. And presumably, the only time we'll know for sure what the "Ultimate Truth" is, is when we check out of this physical consciousness, and get to see it from the outside.

Until then, we can only guess, or go with what feels right and resonates with, and makes sense to us. But of course, being individuals, with unique life experiences and individual perceptions, what feels right and makes sense to some people, won't necessarily feel right and make sense to others.

So I understand that you believe that when a person focuses only on feeling good, in order to create the life they want, it causes an opposite reaction, and that means that something bad will be the result, for that person and/or for the rest of humanity (at least that's what I've understood from your posts, please correct me if I've misunderstood), and I completely accept your belief and I can see how it makes sense to you. And I also accept the belief of those who still think the earth is flat, and I can see how it makes sense to them (in fact, their argument is pretty convincing lol). But it's not my belief.

I'm always interested in hearing what others believe, and if it makes sense to me, I'm open to it. What you've described here just doesn't resonate as true for me anymore.

Love and Light and Choice xxx

Well, considering every molecule of who and what you are, is in essence broken down to protons (+), neutrons (neither), and electrons (-) randomly dancing and flitting about enjoying themselves and the space between. It would be beyond silly to think yourself more positive than negative. You are always an equal amount of both positive and negative. That is something one must simply accept. The thing is, most people don't try and stay balanced and enjoy the space inbetween...and that's where injustice and imbalance occur in nature and nearly all facets of this reality. Just because someone seemingly gets away with murder doesn't mean you should blindly follow down the same path, thinking you will reach some sort of profound absolution. Sure, in some cases, acceptance of truth is a seemingly hard thing to do. Therefore, believing in those temporary delusions can seem to take those people further or offer more relief...but lets be real here... they are still delusions. Coping mechanisms of the mind to avoid dealing with the truth. Patchwork to a dam on the verge of collapse.

I do agree that one's mentality has alot to do with one's success in practical terms, but to what end? What subjectively determines success? Living the american dream? Materialism? I think it goes a lot deeper than what the secret alludes to in their DVD and book. As I gain age and experience, I realize and accept myself for who and what I actually am, that's where my real power flows from. The realization of the practical truths staring you in the face at any given moment. The space between connecting us all.

I find it delusional to ignore the negative elements of one's self and the world around them and act like they just don't exist, anymore. Take responsibility. The bigger the gap you think there is, between you and the other objects out there, the bigger it gets. I'm just wanted to express how disappointed I am with how the secret tried to cash in on the masses and dumbed down the LOA to a superficial materialistic level, rather than explain the power of self and taking responsibility for who and what you really are.

Haven't we as an inter-connected unit put enough materialistic salves on our wounds, to distract us from who and what we are? There is only so long the material dream will last before it too... pops. It's coming soon, if you can't already feel it with all the odd record breaking temperatures and what not. One might as well learn to come to grips with yourself, instead of getting caught up in this outside distraction...what will you do when the ability to distract yourself is over, and it's only you? What will you do then? Just a thought.

I tell ya, Some people just refuse to grow the F**K up!

Anyway, I've used the law of attraction on several occassions and yes the technique if used correctly and at the time it should be used can give positive results. One thing you can't want it you have to play it on a differently level you have to want it and not yet want it at the same time.

peace-

Solskye:

Well, considering every molecule of who and what you are, is in essence broken down to a proton (+) and a neutron (-) randomly dancing and flitting about enjoying themselves and the space between. It would be beyond silly to think yourself more positive than negative. You are always an equal amount of both positive and negative. That is something one must simply accept. The thing is, most people don't try and stay balanced and enjoy the space inbetween...and that's where injustice and imbalance occur in nature and nearly all facets of this reality. Just because someone seemingly gets away with murder doesn't mean you should blindly follow down the same path, thinking you will reach some sort of profound absolution. Sure, in some cases, acceptance of truth is a seemingly hard thing to do. Therefore, believing in those temporary delusions can seem to take those people further or offer more relief...but lets be real here... they are still delusions. Coping mechanisms of the mind to avoid dealing with the truth. Patchwork to a dam on the verge of collapse.

I do agree that one's mentality has alot to do with one's success in practical terms, but to what end? What subjectively determines success? Living the american dream? Materialism? I think it goes a lot deeper than what the secret alludes to in their DVD and book. As I gain age and experience, I realize and accept myself for who and what I actually am, that's where my real power flows from. The realization of the practical truths staring you in the face at any given moment. The space between connecting us all.

I find it delusional to ignore the negative elements of one's self and the world around them and act like they just don't exist, anymore. Take responsibility. The bigger the gap you think there is, between you and the other objects out there, the bigger it gets. I'm just wanted to express how disappointed I am with how the secret tried to cash in on the masses and dumbed down the LOA to a superficial materialistic level, rather than explain the power of self and taking responsibility for who and what you really are.

Haven't we as an inter-connected unit put enough materialistic salves on our wounds, to distract us from who and what we are? There is only so long the material dream will last before it too... pops. It's coming soon, if you can't already feel it with all the odd record breaking temperatures and what not. One might as well learn to come to grips with yourself, instead of getting caught up in this outside distraction...what will you do when the ability to distract yourself is over, and it's only you? What will you do then? Just a thought.

I understand what you're saying Solskye, and we do have some common ground, along with dissagreements.

I thought I'd clarify my own beliefs, which may help to explain where I'm coming from...

The combination of everything I've experienced and learned up to now, has led to the following belief which resonates as truth for me:

I believe that we are expressions of one power, choosing to to experience separation in the illusion of physical consciousness. I believe that nothing in the physical world is solid or real, but that the illusion is held in place by the limits of physical consciousness.

I believe that the "real" us cannot really be harmed or injured in any way - any more than a person watching a horror movie can be harmed or injured by the events in the movie. BUT... if the illusion is clever enough - if the acting, script and special effects are relistic enough, that person's body will REACT as if the danger is real.

When a person watches a convincing horror movie, their body reacts as if the danger is real - heart rate increases, palms sweat, feelings of fear.... etc. The body seems to believe the danger is real. It is only a small percentage of that person (the conscious mind) that stops them from running screaming into the street. - because the conscious mind knows the danger is not real, it's a movie.

I believe the same goes for this physical experience. The greater part of us that is outside of physical consciousness, cannot be harmed in any way. And that part of us knows it's just an illusion, but in order to get the full experience, we have to not keep looking around the cinema. We need to believe the illusion is real.

I also believe that we get to choose, moment to moment, what type of experience we want to have - whether we want to experience fun and excitement and abundance, or whether we want to experience lack and struggle and drama (which is a novelty for us since there is no such thing in "reality" ). Think of a fun fair, some rides are gentle and fun, some will make you throw up lol (and those, of course, can still be fun). Some people prefer one type and won't go on the others, other people like a bit of both.

Part of this belief is that duality is also an illusion - something that is part of physical consciousness, but that doesn't exist outside of physical consciousness.

And so, if I choose a musical comedy, I don't believe that I will necessarily be frog-marched into a horror movie against my will.

And because of my belief of the nature of physical consciousness, I believe that we are here to experience what we choose to experience. I had chosen to experience struggle and suffering and drama for the first 40 years of my life. Then I changed my mind, and am now choosing to experience fun, excitement, abundance, compassion, and love. I have to admit, I'm enjoying this part of my experience much more.

I believe that when we "die" in physical consciousness, we return to the power of bliss and love that we are a part of, becoming aware again, that the sensation of separation was an illusion - a "game". That part of the power may then choose to experience a different kind of physical consciousness, or not.

This is obviously a way of explaining it in terms that are comprehendable to the conscious mind - the real truth is presumably beyond conscious comprehension. But it's the best I can come up with from inside the game. lol

There's also a lot more to what I believe, but this is quite a long post already.

I reitterate - I am not saying this is THE Ultimate Truth, I'm saying this is what I believe. It is what makes sense to me after what I've experienced, read about, researched etc. I could be wrong of course.... but until I "die", I can only go with what FEELS true and makes sense to me. Unless I have some kind of "out of world experience" that shows me the outside of the fish bowl.

Love and Light and Fun xxx