The Law Of Attraction

**Mystic7** · 10-24-2007 10:14 AM

David Icke, watch his videos.

I'm watching Interview 2 with Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa p7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8MKu9YuLA0

**thegnome54** · 10-30-2007 08:32 PM

My main beef with this tripe is the whole "Law" thing. They present this "Law" as a scientific fact, something which is a part of the physical universe.

It's not.

There is no law of attraction.

What there IS is perceptive human beings. A very big part of this is other people. If you sit around staring at a magazine cutout of a bicycle all day long, chances are someone might notice and take it upon themselves to get you one. The other major component, as far as I can see, is the simple fact that if you spend a lot of time thinking about this bicycle, you will be much more likely to notice and take advantage of situations which might help you get the bicycle (you'll pay more attention to classified bicycle adds, for example).

This is all fine and dandy, UNTIL you start with the 'Law' bullshit. If you're alone in a forest and start concentrating your ass off trying to attract a toaster oven, good luck to you. The mere act of thinking about or desiring an object has absolutely no discernible effect on the object itself which would make you more likely to come to own it.

The bottom line - there is no law of attraction. But if you devote a lot of time and willpower to acquiring something, you will probably be more likely to get it some way or another. ...Isn't that obvious, though? I shouldn't think anyone would need a movie to tell them that.

**illusions** · 10-30-2007 09:25 PM

thegnome54:

My main beef with this tripe is the whole "Law" thing. They present this "Law" as a scientific fact, something which is a part of the physical universe.

It's not.

Lol, Gnome, what makes you think "It's not"?

Listen to this interview, you might find it interesting

Of course, if you're happy to just discount it on the experience or knowledge you have so far without expanding it, then that's your choice.

Love and Light and Magic xxx

**thegnome54** · 10-30-2007 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by illusions

Lol, Gnome, what makes you think "It's not"?

A complete lack of experimental evidence or solid scientific backing.

We know very, very, very little about quantum mechanics (if anything, really), and I will not take an interview with some random dude as proof of anything.

Do the research yourself, and expand your mind - go and sit out in the middle of a forest, away from any other people, and use this 'law' to attract a BMW. Go ahead.

I reiterate, there is no such thing as the law of attraction (I'm using 'law' as the scientific term as is implied by proponents of this stuff). There are few enough scientific laws as it is, and this is most definitely not one of them.

**Jeff777** · 10-30-2007 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mystic7

I'm watching Interview 2 with Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa p7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8MKu9YuLA0

**Cyclic13** · 11-02-2007 07:18 AM

Since this is basically a revival thread of your views on the Secret... I will save time and help drive a point home by just pasting what I posted there regarding their 'Law of Attraction'...

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Anything will seem true to an individual if one believes in it long enough...

HOWEVER...How things seem and how they are, are always two different things entirely. The person who blindly believes in anything tertiary as real, basically chooses to buy into a self-imposed cage, a prison, and in the end...a lie. When that bubble bursts under it's own weight they will be in for a big surprise...all those meaningless material goods they chose to distract themselves with were just that...distractions. Created of them, by them, in order to escape realization of self...escape of truth.

And, here's where I fundamentally disagree with this precept the secret is selling. The entire message just starts to scratch the surface of the beginnings of solipsism- the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist. Then, they take a sharp right, and turn it into a mainstream, overhyped, consumeristic, and wholly absurd idea that anyone would naturally choose to use this law of attraction for self-gain, material possessions, and power...rather than taking that realization a step further and focusing attentions inward where they belong.

They assume the rational choice to focus attentions outward!?!? Pfft...what a crock of shit.

Without knowing yourself and just blindly wanting objects outside of you is dangerous. Anyone that would truly understand one's self would realize there is no point to obtaining these material possessions as there is no distinction between them and you, and as such, the effort to obtain what you already possess is meaningless.

FOCUS on yourselves...not the meaningless material dream...

**thegnome54** · 11-03-2007 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Without knowing yourself and just blindly wanting objects outside of you is dangerous. Anyone that would truly understand one's self would realize there is no point to obtaining these material possessions as there is no distinction between them and you, and as such, the effort to obtain what you already possess is meaningless.

...So if I want a hamburger, it's pointless because the hamburger is the same as me, so I already have one?

I don't believe that makes any sense.

**Jeff777** · 11-03-2007 03:43 AM

Hey illusions, regarding the law of attraction you're completely right. You've come under tremendous heat in this thread, I commend you and your posture on how you deal with it.

"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally it is accepted as self-evident." - Arthur Schoepenhouer

**thegnome54** · 11-03-2007 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Hey illusions, regarding the law of attraction you're completely right. You've come under tremendous heat in this thread, I commend you and your posture on how you deal with it.

I agree with you, but why not help her out a bit?

You still haven't addressed my forest BMW challenge. If you claim that it stems from a misunderstanding of the law, then at least correct me.

**Jeff777** · 11-03-2007 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I agree with you, but why not help her out a bit?

You still haven't addressed my forest BMW challenge. If you claim that it stems from a misunderstanding of the law, then at least correct me.

I can't give you anything except a point of view from my personal subjective experience with the knowledge regarding the law of attraction. Let me first correct a misconception that it seems you and a lot of people who think as you do cling to. The law of attraction is DEAD unless you take action. With thoughts what you want is brought to you and with action it is received. When I was 18, I began reading into the law of attraction and learning all about it. I ordered many books, sat down and had one-on one conversations with multi-millionaires who attest to it being the reason why they are where they are today. I learned and continued to read deeper and deeper until I found common themes in some of the world's most successful people. As I said before (which I'd like to bring emphasis to yet again), The law of attraction is useless unless you take massive action. So thegnome, if you go into a forest and think with all your might for a BMW to appear...you'll be walking home. However, if you focus your thoughts consciously towards a BMW, you will inevitably start noticicing BMW's more, hearing about them more, or even (as fate would have it?) sit next to a guy on a bus who wants to sell his used BMW for a low deal. Don't be ignorant...of course our reticular activating system plays a major part in this "selective focus" as well, but so does the law. Going back to me, at the age of 18 I did not see the college life as my avenue to go down so after studying/conversing with some of the world's most successful people, I started a business of my own. To make a long story short, I applied (and still continue to apply) the lessons I've read about, learned, heard, studied and emulated. I became aware of my thought direction and started focusing my thoughts on purpose. My business is amazing and I am loving this ride and journey in life. In a month I will be 20. At the rate my business is expanding, I should be a millionaire by my 21st birthday. The first one from my family. Before you or any others ridicule, discredit and even (pointlessly) try to debunk the law of attraction, do you even UNDERSTAND it? Have you tried attracting something to you (not ignorantly trying to attract, i.e. BMW in woods) at all? I can't say anything bad about Buddhism because I don't fully understand it, don't know much about it, but am intrigued by enough to try to understand it without ridiculing it while at the same time keep my mouth shut about what I don't know.

Also a common theme I've noticed is that those who are wealthy/successful in the earth know the importance about focused thoughts, mindset, action etc...which is the law of attraction in a nutshell. If you can find one, go ask them about it.

**Cyclic13** · 11-03-2007 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by thegnome54

...So if I want a hamburger, it's pointless because the hamburger is the same as me, so I already have one?

I don't believe that makes any sense.

Philosophically, and objectively speaking, yes...yes it is the same. Everyone, and everything came from the same singularity in space. That is an undeniable and practical fact which one can choose to accept or deny.

You eat the hamburger only to get back up, take a dump, and repeat the hunger/feast ritual all over again. Just as you do with any duality here. Be it, Pain, or Pleasure... Hot, or Cold...Starve, or Gorge...Life, or Death.

One's desire for a hamburger makes about as much sense as having the sense of hunger for the hamburger, or any of your imperfect perceptions, in the first place. Ultimately, you choose to eat it, or not. Neither move you make objectively matters in the grand scheme, or makes a real difference or impact. Your playing piece will always remain the same, and come back to square one in the end. Back to a contradiction.

That's why I find the law of attraction kind of stupid because people try to avoid balancing themselves and gravitate towards the positive, which is an impossibility because there will always be the inner negativity that exists within themselves that they are ignorantly choosing to run from, rather than confront. Not to mention, an equal number of disbelievers never allowing them to reach their absolution. So subjectively sad, if you ask me.

All the while, these people ignorantly and selfishly choose to ignore all the actual suffering and negative parts that exist in themselves and the outside world. It's more of a law of actively choosing to be subjectively selfish, and unaware. As opposed to being truly objectively aware and accepting responsibility for yourself, and your connection to your surroundings.

Whatever floats their boat, though...They'll eventually realize their delusion...and choose to forget it again... as we all do with this contradictory universe.

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