Thread: The Law Of Attraction

No, that's your pathetic conclusion... Life is what you make of it. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

No, that's your pathetic conclusion... Life is what you make of it. Plain and simple.

WTF.

I want my life to be a physical chicken. WAIT, THATS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.

Screw you. I'll take a nicer tone when you logically and rationally debunk my arguments.

Til then, F' off.


[any mods viewing this: if you want me to edit out this post, I will, but I hope you understand the frustration at that response to a well thought out argument]

Originally Posted by SolSkye

No, that's your pathetic conclusion... Life is what you make of it. Plain and simple.

I don't agree with you whatsoever carousoul, nor are your claims "documented" as you say, but...

If life is what you make of it then carousoul's reasoning isn't a pathetic conclusion and is instead self-justified.

p.s. Atheism is in fact a belief in itself...not the absence of belief.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

I don't agree with you whatsoever carousoul, nor are your claims "documented" as you say, but...

If life is what you make of it then carousoul's reasoning isn't a pathetic conclusion and is instead self-justified.

Most of my claims are relating to anatomy etc. How are these not documented?

Originally Posted by Ric W

I am a big believer in the fact that everything done has an equal reaction. For something bad, there is something good. Everything balances out.

How do you explain the different perceptions of what is 'good' and 'bad' between individuals? Because this statement implies absolute morality, and if morality is an absolute, then when two people disagree - "kicking that rock is wrong", says Bob, and "no, it's right", says Susan - then one of them must be wrong. Are you aware of the implications?

Originally Posted by Ric W

I'm can't say I'm an atheist... there must be something out there. To have evolved to this state can't have been chance.

I'm going to try not to attack you on this, but simply ask - what or why makes you say this? Do you fully comprehend the nature of evolution? It is a VERY powerful process.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

p.s. Atheism is in fact a belief in itself...not the absence of belief.

There are multiple definitions of atheism which are thrown around. The dictionary atheist is someone who, yes, BELIEVES that there is no god. However, in common language an atheist is really just an agnostic - someone who simply lacks a belief in any god.

What I do not understand is how you do not think life is amazing? Life is so broad and diverse. Think about what you said with the tiniest cell, or perhaps a strain of bacteria. We are composed of countless cells and are the most complex species on the entire planet. The way humanity has evolved over the passed few thousand years alone is so breath taking, let alone how we are physically and mentally evolving with technology and understanding of the universe.

Think about the clothes you wear, the keyboard you type on, your electronics, your house - think about what is necessary to construct all of these things. Everyone takes things for granted not realizing how complex the chain is of how things are made that we commonly use and/or experience.

Breathing fresh air and looking at the sunset, looking up at the sky at the stars, taking that sip of coffee, drinking that glass of water, eating that favorite delicacy that makes your mouth always water, a hug from one you love, a sport you enjoy playing, a conversation you enjoy talking about, a computer game you enjoy playing, the people you enjoy being around, the pets you love. How much more can I go on? Life is beyond magnificent, you just need to open your mind.

I think the Law of attraction is BS. EstherKcks claims to "channel" Abraham.

If you want a more realistic view of The law of attraction. Look up David Wilcock on youtube. He describes the Law of One. which basically says that we are all somehow connected. It sounds just as bad as the LAO but is way more believable.

Originally Posted by Absolute

What I do not understand is how you do not think life is amazing? Life is so broad and diverse. Think about what you said with the tiniest cell, or perhaps a strain of bacteria. We are composed of countless cells and are the most complex species on the entire planet. The way humanity has evolved over the passed few thousand years alone is so breath taking, let alone how we are physically and mentally evolving with technology and understanding of the universe.

Think about the clothes you wear, the keyboard you type on, your electronics, your house - think about what is necessary to construct all of these things. Everyone takes things for granted not realizing how complex the chain is of how things are made that we commonly use and/or experience.

Breathing fresh air and looking at the sunset, looking up at the sky at the stars, taking that sip of coffee, drinking that glass of water, eating that favorite delicacy that makes your mouth always water, a hug from one you love, a sport you enjoy playing, a conversation you enjoy talking about, a computer game you enjoy playing, the people you enjoy being around, the pets you love. How much more can I go on? Life is beyond magnificent, you just need to open your mind.

Never tell me to open my mind. It's wide open.

Read my sig, for the time being, I'll be back to edit this post and actually say something when I'm less tired.

Read my sig, for the time being.

Put yourself at the point before the universe existed, or after it ends. Life is impossible from those points? Is it not? Yet here we are... And after it all ends and it will be as it never happened, we will be exactly as we were before the universe existed. So what's to stop it, or another one, from existing again?

Seen as understanding that there can't be life after death has nothing to do with understanding of how life in general started.

I wasn't trying to convince you of an after-life like heaven and hell, where we go when we die. You seem to put the after-life in a category of the impossible, because you don't understand how it could exist. And read above again. Improbable based of current evidence - yes. Impossible - very much not.

Originally Posted by blade5x

Put yourself at the point before the universe existed, or after it ends. Life is impossible from those points? Is it not? Yet here we are... And after it all ends and it will be as it never happened, we will be exactly as we were before the universe existed. So what's to stop it, or another one, from existing again?

Nothing

But it won't be us . so bah. *selfishness takes over*

And theyll matter just as much as we did. so lulz.

Originally Posted by blade5x

I wasn't trying to convince you of an after-life like heaven and hell, where we go when we die. You seem to put the after-life in a category of the impossible, because you don't understand how it could exist. And read above again. Improbable based of current evidence - yes. Impossible - very much not.

I agree, although, i understand exactly most popular theories of how life after death could work. And it doesn't work. So it isn't a matter of understanding, its a matter of it just being rationally false.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I feel like you're misusing the term 'science' here.

Back there, no I was using the term 'science' as it is. I mean one day, thegnome54, you might think about your concepts of science otherwise because of what may happen to you through experience - it's evidently possible.

Originally Posted by Swank

If the aethiests world were true, what would be the point even being alive? you would live in constant fear, death theoretically could come to anyone at any moment. I for one would be scared shitless if we just turn to dust and cease to exist at that.

I've spoken to an atheist, he says "Why should there be a point to living? Do I have to believe in something?" As for myself, if I lived this way, I would probably be depressed, more so than scared. I feel sorry for him.

Originally Posted by ClouD

If something has no end, it has no purpose.

I guess its purpose is to find one.

Originally Posted by ClouD

If you were to bring up a child, teaching him that 1 + 1 = 1, he would believe it.

The funny thing is, when I read your post for the first two times, I read:
"1 + 1 = 2", haha. Shows how some of us live on assumptions.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I personally would find it far more scary if there was no death. Very scary indeed.

Why? You have infinite amount of time to find some special medication, a guardian or even an everlasting night-light.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Yes we can. Anything is anything. There. That is true. Anything really IS anything!

Yes, that's right. We live off definitions, no matter how obvious they are. Do Americans have right over Africans? No they just have different languages.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

How do you explain the different perceptions of what is 'good' and 'bad' between individuals? Because this statement implies absolute morality, and if morality is an absolute, then when two people disagree - "kicking that rock is wrong", says Bob, and "no, it's right", says Susan - then one of them must be wrong. Are you aware of the implications?

Morality is a personal viewpoint. Bob thinks Susan is wrong and visa-versa. This is why it is balanced.

Originally Posted by really

I've spoken to an atheist, he says "Why should there be a point to living? Do I have to believe in something?" As for myself, if I lived this way, I would probably be depressed, more so than scared. I feel sorry for him.

I personally don't see the difference in the atheistic view and the theistic. If there is no god and we just die, true in the end there is no point. But if there is a god and we live eternally, then equally there is no real point, if there is no end. So its scary whatever happens LULZ.

Originally Posted by really

I guess its purpose is to find one.

I think what ClouD is saying is that the mere definition of purpose involves there being some kind of end product, which, in the event of infinity, there is not.

Originally Posted by really

The funny thing is, when I read your post for the first two times, I read:
"1 + 1 = 2", haha. Shows how some of us live on assumptions.

lulz.

Originally Posted by really

Why? You have infinite amount of time to find some special medication, a guardian or even an everlasting night-light.

Seriously, eternal life is absolute pointlessness at its best. No end result means there is no real meaning anyway, and whatever medication or night light i get, doesnt matter, because nothing matters, because there is no end for them to matter unto.

Originally Posted by really

Morality is a personal viewpoint. Bob thinks Susan is wrong and visa-versa. This is why it is balanced.

True. Very true

Originally Posted by really

Back there, no I was using the term 'science' as it is. I mean one day, thegnome54, you might think about your concepts of science otherwise because of what may happen to you through experience - it's evidently possible.

No, I don't believe it is. Science is not the actual body of knowledge - science as I am using the term is the basic process by which that knowledge is acquired.

Originally Posted by really

I've spoken to an atheist, he says "Why should there be a point to living? Do I have to believe in something?" As for myself, if I lived this way, I would probably be depressed, more so than scared. I feel sorry for him.

Don't feel sorry - some people are stronger than you might think and can overcome such issues. I personally need a purpose, but I can make my own. Some people may not need any at all.

Originally Posted by really

Morality is a personal viewpoint. Bob thinks Susan is wrong and visa-versa. This is why it is balanced.

Right - I believe morality is subjective. However, subjective morality means that ideas like karma and 'tit-for-tat' morality are invalid.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Right - I believe morality is subjective. However, subjective morality means that ideas like karma and 'tit-for-tat' morality are invalid.

Actually, I was thinking about this today. I had logically concluded about the whole subjective morality business. So am like cool.


But, Karma, could have a possibility, purely scientifically speaking, that is.


For example, scientifically every action has a reaction and so forth.


So, this occurs on a social level, i believe, for example, you output negatively {subjective negativity, of course.} to everyone, you end up getting a beating. This generally applies.


I am entirely unsure about this, but I think there is certainly plausible possibility this kind of thing can happen at a complex level, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

So, this occurs on a social level, i believe, for example, you output negatively {subjective negativity, of course.} to everyone, you end up getting a beating. This generally applies.


I am entirely unsure about this, but I think there is certainly plausible possibility this kind of thing can happen at a complex level, don't you think?

I see where you're coming from, and it may hold true for some basic situations - but if you push it to extremes I don't believe it holds together very much.

Say, for example, that you are living in a society full of sadists (but you aren't one). If you repeatedly abuse people in the streets, then although you may believe that you are doing wrong, everyone else might enjoy it and you will never get your karmatic return.

Your actions are interpreted differently by every individual you encounter, so whether or not your subjective interpretations of their moral values are mirrored by the general populace is not certain.

That being said, I think that this concept certainly seems to apply on a single-organism level. If someone does something you perceive as 'good', you are likely to return the favor with something else you also consider 'good' - and vice versa.

The general concept of a cosmic force dishing out punishments and rewards for our actions seems fallacious, and society itself is simply too varied in opinions to serve as any reliable source of these either.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

...the term is the basic process by which that knowledge is acquired.

That's what I mean. You gather knowledge of your personal experiences, but does that make them invalid or non-existent if nobody else finds them evident? No.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Don't feel sorry - some people are stronger than you might think and can overcome such issues. I personally need a purpose, but I can make my own. Some people may not need any at all.

I feel sorry for him. I know this guy, he struggles with so much in life and has such a low self-esteem and outlook on life. He says he has no purpose and that affects his life through his extreme boredom and low-energy. Everybody has the potential to be "strong", but he just makes fate look far too obvious.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Right - I believe morality is subjective. However, subjective morality means that ideas like karma and 'tit-for-tat' morality are invalid.

That had little to do with it, but anyhow.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Say, for example, that you are living in a society full of sadists (but you aren't one). If you repeatedly abuse people in the streets, then although you may believe that you are doing wrong, everyone else might enjoy it and you will never get your karmatic return.

What makes you think "you will never get your karmatic return"? You might get bashed and they might enjoy it.

I believe in Karma - I just went outside for some fresh air and a snack. And no joke, if I didn't go out for to eat my packet of chips, my dog wouldn't have just eaten that lizard.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Your actions are interpreted differently by every individual you encounter, so whether or not your subjective interpretations of their moral values are mirrored by the general populace is not certain.

It is certain considering that we are all human beings. The variety of actions isn't a matter.

Originally Posted by really

That's what I mean. You gather knowledge of your personal experiences, but does that make them invalid or non-existent if nobody else finds them evident? No.

You don't gather knowledge from personal experiences. You gather it through science.

Originally Posted by really

I believe in Karma - I just went outside for some fresh air and a snack. And no joke, if I didn't go out for to eat my packet of chips, my dog wouldn't have just eaten that lizard.

I can't tell if you're joking or not here. The point is, karma cannot exist unless morality is objective.

Originally Posted by really

It is certain considering that we are all human beings. The variety of actions isn't a matter.

No!! What about things like gay marriage and abortion?! Barely anybody agrees about the moral standings of these things. Morality is obviously subjective, and as such, karma is obviously a false concept.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I see where you're coming from, and it may hold true for some basic situations - but if you push it to extremes I don't believe it holds together very much.

Say, for example, that you are living in a society full of sadists (but you aren't one). If you repeatedly abuse people in the streets, then although you may believe that you are doing wrong, everyone else might enjoy it and you will never get your karmatic return.

Your actions are interpreted differently by every individual you encounter, so whether or not your subjective interpretations of their moral values are mirrored by the general populace is not certain.

That being said, I think that this concept certainly seems to apply on a single-organism level. If someone does something you perceive as 'good', you are likely to return the favor with something else you also consider 'good' - and vice versa.

The general concept of a cosmic force dishing out punishments and rewards for our actions seems fallacious, and society itself is simply too varied in opinions to serve as any reliable source of these either.

Seriously, forget that cosmis stuff, i know there is no "force" doing anything.


In fact, lets throw out morals for a moment, to prove the point.


So basically as a person, is it not possible that what we output [in this case "moral" actions] , and by dealing them out, somehow recieve them.

Im basing this very much on the whole "every action has an opposite an equal reaction".. It seems somewhat logical that you reap what you sow.



Lets forget the term karma, i don't want to be involved with that.

Im basing this on purely scientific stuffz.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

So basically as a person, is it not possible that what we output [in this case "moral" actions] , and by dealing them out, somehow recieve them.

Im basing this very much on the whole "every action has an opposite an equal reaction".. It seems somewhat logical that you reap what you sow.

The problem here is a simple issue of charge. Electric charges are called 'positive' or 'negative', forces go in 'positive' and 'negative' directions, etc. - you need an absolute scale, some sort of convention, in order to have opposites in the first place.

Since morality is subjective, it just can't work that way. There is no way to have an equal and 'opposite' reaction if no one can decide what the original action's charge/direction is in the first place.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

The problem here is a simple issue of charge. Electric charges are called 'positive' or 'negative', forces go in 'positive' and 'negative' directions, etc. - you need an absolute scale, some sort of convention, in order to have opposites in the first place.

Since morality is subjective, it just can't work that way. There is no way to have an equal and 'opposite' reaction if no one can decide what the original action's charge/direction is in the first place.

Nononono. Forget morality, please.

I mean whatever actions I do be they interpreted as good or bad, thats irrelevant, whatever actions i make, i will recieve similar actions coming my way?

This happens to fit snugly into morals, which is if i do actions you can label "good" then actions will input on me that can also be labelled "good" because of their physical similarities to the original actions (y)

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

whatever actions i make, i will recieve similar actions coming my way?

I don't understand what you mean by 'similar' actions. Do you mean like if you wave at someone they will wave at you? Or if you throw rocks at someone they will return fire? This sort of thing is again dependent on perception of your actions, so it won't function as any sort of tit-for-tat law. If that's what you mean.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I don't understand what you mean by 'similar' actions. Do you mean like if you wave at someone they will wave at you? Or if you throw rocks at someone they will return fire? This sort of thing is again dependent on perception of your actions, so it won't function as any sort of tit-for-tat law. If that's what you mean.

Not so simple.

I don't believe this btw. I'm just working out if there is even a vague possibility.

Basically at core it is as if i move in a certain way, will this cause a chain causing something else to move in a similar way to me.


I don't think it will.


I feel we've reached a conclusion.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Not so simple.

I don't believe this btw. I'm just working out if there is even a vague possibility.

Basically at core it is as if i move in a certain way, will this cause a chain causing something else to move in a similar way to me.


I don't think it will.


I feel we've reached a conclusion.

Well, this again depends on your idea of 'similar movements'. For example, we might consider a bird lifting its leg similar to a human doing so - however, physically speaking, there is nothing really connecting the actions at all. They are connected on a solely perceptual level, not a physical one.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Well, this again depends on your idea of 'similar movements'. For example, we might consider a bird lifting its leg similar to a human doing so - however, physically speaking, there is nothing really connecting the actions at all. They are connected on a solely perceptual level, not a physical one.

well im talking on a physical level. perceptual level counts for sh*t to be honest. lulz.