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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      Because that definition encompasses things which are not considered intelligence.
      Look at what's common, everybody says intelligence is an ability. I think you are asking what intelligence is intrinsically, on its own. There would be no such thing as intelligence without being aware of it (or the ability) at the same time and so it draws back to the quality of awareness prior to the ability, which I guess is otherwise undefinable without relationships to the tangible world where it is applied or infused. If you hear about somebody who is remarked as merely "intelligent," you suppose he has some ability at something, but it's the meaning that has been brought out of that ability. Intelligent how is then the question. In other words...

      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      And as Stormcrow said, consciousness cannot be used as a necessary quality because it's impossible to define what has it and what doesn't since it's innately subjective.
      ...similarly, perhaps intelligence is closely related to what consciousness is, after all it seems nobody can "define" intelligence to your satisfaction; it comes across as subjective too, subjective as it is the holder or mediator of all objective qualities, not subjective as in personal opinion. By defining it we picture it in relation to "forms" of intelligence, which are only meaningful inside consciousnesses.

      I suppose if we didn't have intelligence nobody could read a word of this thread, but we must know of that core of intelligence already, as it is present inside us. So can we really "define" it as we would like? Will an illiterate person be able to read and understand the question?


      EDIT: Ok I'm just going to conclude this: Intelligence itself = consciousness itself! What is intelligent: the relationship between consciousness interacting with the world. Consciousness gives meaning to the world, consciousness makes humans "able"; intelligence is in abilities. People who make meaningful things (etc.) can be described as "conscious" and "intelligent". Ok but not all people are intelligent? Yes, in the same way not all people are as conscious as each other; i.e. that is concordant to the nature of consciousness.

      /END THREAD

      NEW THREAD: "What is consciousness" XD
      Last edited by really; 10-18-2011 at 07:54 AM.
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