Thread: Got me fooled again

Originally Posted by ForgottenDream

how you worded it is like saying "failure is succeeding to fail". it doesn't really make much sense to be honest. i think you meant to say "success is learning not to fail again" or something along those lines.

Yes, you're right, it can be misunderstood. The phrasing was a bit unlucky, but still correct.

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

There are alarm situations where one relies on unreflected action to protect oneself or others. This was one of such and there was no time for things like locating emotional feedback centers. I'm sure you wouldn't analyze your emotions first when evading a truck heading for you at full speed. Whatever she had on her arm (noodle/tomato soup?), it triggered alarm.

The technique that I was trying to explain to you was not supposed to be done while lucid. The technique, when done over a period of time in waking life, can help you to detach yourself from emotional stimulus, while still being completely emotionally aware. (And will be reflected so, while lucid.) Its like being able to change your behavior, if the one now gets you into trouble.

This can help one not jump to conclusions when an emotional up rival comes from unforeseen stimulus. You said the noodle soup enabled panic mode and you had to fall out of lucidity, even if its something else to that extreme, emotional attachment will pull you every time. (Most people, it seems, have no problem controlling their dreaming. If you would like not to, then you must be able to control yourself.)

I have had DCs try to pull me out of lucidity with illusions. Once, I asked a DC named Heather Nonconnor what I was doing dreaming in 'this current location'. Next thing I know, I'm climbing a mountain. After making it to the top I found myself in front of a door. I stopped to become more aware of my surroundings, turning around, I find myself back in the room with her.

After I tried to further ask her questions, she started talking very softly, to the point that I couldn't hear her. Now, please tell me how to have DCs talk louder, even after you ask them to do so. Hah.

Is it possible that some DCs can't tell you anything?
It may simply be one locked door after another.

Ask yourself, what have you done for the DC to earn their knowledge?

It sounds as if you do not want lucid control to be one way, then why should it be?

Good Luck.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

The technique, when done over a period of time in waking life, can help you to detach yourself from emotional stimulus, ...

I know that technique, because I trained it when I aimed for OBEs. Nevertheless it doesn't work in all situations, at least not for me. If it wasn't for that, it would've been a valuable information.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

I have had DCs try to pull me out of lucidity with illusions. Once, I asked a DC named Heather Nonconnor what I was doing dreaming in 'this current location'. Next thing I know, I'm climbing a mountain. After making it to the top I found myself in front of a door. I stopped to become more aware of my surroundings, turning around, I find myself back in the room with her.

After I tried to further ask her questions, she started talking very softly, to the point that I couldn't hear her. Now, please tell me how to have DCs talk louder, even after you ask them to do so. Hah.

Interesting story. Heather Nonconnor, the Highlander's secret wife. They never get memories right.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

Is it possible that some DCs can't tell you anything?

That's exactly the point I want to find out about. But yes, most are just part of the scenery, probably nothing more than that. Yet some few are different, knowing and experienced themselves. In most dreams there at least seems to be one of that kind, like an overseer or a stage director. Playing with the scenery ones is not my intention and people here are right, most DCs are nothing but objects... but not all. Who knows, there may even be different factions, various races or a society structure as complex as ours.

Many people consider themselves oneironauts or oneirologists, just because they have lucid dreams. Yet they are full of preconceptions and don't even ask questions because they think they already have the answer. That is too easy.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

It may simply be one locked door after another.

Then I'll have to find keys or learn to unlock them without.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

Ask yourself, what have you done for the DC to earn their knowledge?

How about being a playball for them most of my sleeping life. They must have a reason for wanting to be near us, creating one distressing situation after another, positive or negative, but always strongly emotional. I may be wrong, but I think they draw emotional energy from us. Who ever had a dream sitting at the beach just relaxing? What have they done to earn whatever it is they take? A predator does not ask itself if it earned the prey or the prey if it wants to be eaten - as doesn't a bird picking seeds. It's like they draw information from our memories, to confront us with things that touch us - yet they never get the memories right.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

It sounds as if you do not want lucid control to be one way, then why should it be?

I don't want to control them, but I also don't want to be played by them. As I said above I see no use in making DCs my puppets. If you're focussed on applying control, all you will find are its results, a reflection of yourself. I want to find out what good I could possibly draw from them. Sharing knowledge won't harm them... well, it probably depends on the knowledge.

Originally Posted by tranquilitybytrey

Good Luck.

Thanks.

by the way i want to wish you luck also on your quest to find out what these DC's want. i know you disagree, but i just lucid dream for the fun of it, and also to learn more about myself in a sense. i might even lucid dream about relaxing on a beach now that you mention it lol. also, i just checked out your music, and i must say you have major talent, i enjoyed it a lot.

Thank you.