Thread: Minor WILD Success?

It sounds to me like you were very close - and pretty much lucid till you woke up again. It is not uncommon to WILD with experiencing SP - to be honest, I don't really experience it when I WILD so wouldn't have thought it is something that everyone experiences.

My advice would be to try this again, relax a bit more, and maybe wait a little longer without any movements in case you wake yourself again.

Originally Posted by yelizaveta

I would like to describe in detail an experience I had this morning, and get some feedback/advice.
I went to bed around 12:30/1:00 am last night but had to wake up at 5 am to do some homework. I stayed up for 2 hours doing it and was done at 7 am. I decided I wanted to take an hours' nap since I only needed to start getting ready at 8am. As I lay there I noticed some vivid HI (which I almost never noticed) so i decided this would be a great opportunity to attempt WILDing. I waited for a dream scene to form, and after a few minutes I felt like I was lying in bed and I was looking at my laptop, next to me, and it felt very real, but the screen on my laptop had my email window open and the whole window was spinning very fast so I could read nothing. I decided it was time to do a nose RC, even though I hadn't felt SP. I guess it was too soon because I moved my real hand and was suddenly awake, with no computer next to me. I wasn't discouraged and tried again. Quickly enough the HI came back, and I felt a sort of 'shift' but still felt my real body lying in the bed along with my 'dream body'. This time I did a nose RC again and it succeeded, but my vision went black and when I tried to 'see' the feeling of my real body in bed reasserted itself and I woke up.
How close was I? Is my experience unusual? (Because of the fact that I didn't seem to experience SP, the order of events seems a little funny)
Anyways, any feedback would be appreciated!

no no no no no. This is great!! These event have happened to me many times before. This is great. Reading many many experiences, I do not know if it is normal though. Which is not bad. It just seems that I have had several experience that I cannot relay to many people. When I see it written as you have, I know, it is worded specifically so.

I need to address Sleep paralysis. SP is an action or lack there of. It is a cause and effect. Becasue of this, some may NEVER experience SP. Although subjective I believe some feel that they can induce SP, possibly they can manipulate the "state of being" to such a degree. It is my belief that it is our endevours to lucid dream and to become aware at dreaming intervals that puts US in a good scenario for SP to happen rather than us creating SP. I guess that is neither here nor their.
I do think it is important to NOT associate SP with the success or even the means or signs of Lucidity.
Sleep paralysis. === As we fall asleep our motor functions are shut down as we enter a Rapid eye movement period. All but our eyes. Hence, rapid EYE movement. The movement of our eyes follow that of the movement in our dreams. The rest of us is paralyzed, this in effect prohibits us from flailing around in our sleep. As we awake from a dream state there are times that we awake before our brain conveys a message to turn our motor skills back on. SO we lay there, aware but unable to move. (this is why it should not be scary) SP can last from moments to minutes. I have had it last long enough that I did begin to get shaken, as If it was not coming back to me. But it does. There are always variables. Like the case in which we do jump around in our sleep, mumble or what have you. This being the same example turned the other way around.
oooooy -enough about SP. Just realize it is no gauge to which lucidity is judged by.
You put yourself in the PERFECT setting for WBTB as you know.
Our sleeping mind, for a alack of a better word is still ready to go. Our waking mind was activated and awaken enough to be engaged actively and more readily. Having gone back to bed you quickly fall into a REM cycle and have just within your reach the conscious mind. (which you just aroused) even better with engaging in a more rigorous mind frame. Homework

This vivd HI was in reaction to the above scenario. Just as you are in a realm of a quick WBTB experience comes with it HI. Which is no more than subconscious intervals of visualization. THIS time however you were aware of them. One more sign of being closer to your awareness of a sleeping state. One more way to induce a WILD. HIT is a WILD, just via enhanced imagery to get there. easier IMO.

SO it seems to me all these experiences were in and around a dream. As you had made a conscious movement, your conscious waking mind took over the scene. Then again you did a RC in which it seemed real. When you felt this shift you had shifted into a dream. Becasue you had not convinced yourself of that, it seemed real, the events again unfolded like the first. You snapped yourself out of a state of subconscious thought.

Now the black vision..... This will sound contradictory and because it seemingly is, I cannot tell you 100% what stage of consciousness you are in. I am going to guess the first because of the beginning stage of sleep that you describe.
In my experience, this stage of a monochromatic scene (mine often brown) I think is also a between stage, much like SP but visually. - seems to make sense.
I have had on only a few occasions fallen into a state I believe to be both. This had come after the direct event of very very vivd, life like lucid dreams. I had Partially woke up to have neither my vision, just black, brown or who knows. In addition I was in a SP state. I called the experience a void when it had happened. I was in a void of just consciousness for there was nothing else.
Some had explained this to me as a near death experience. At the time I had been to no surprise a little scared. I do not believe this is the case. Why would it be? I have not been provided with enough substantial evidence for me to believe that there is any reason to really think so.

What is substantial is that lucid dreaming is not a belief of a mystic, a phenomenon, a hoax or imaginative, it is a physiological experience.

Good grief. With you adoption I have been explaining the events and logic behind what happens. This I feel may be a keener approach to learning Lucid dreaming. To learn anything. To know why something happens and to understand why it happens takes the why out of it. It leaves just the do.

The downside. I just wrote a Thesis. But possibly being boring maybe I put you into a sleep state.

yelizaveta, you were in a dream. You just were not completely aware that you were.
Happy dreaming!!!

Originally Posted by Howie

no no no no no. This is great!! These event have happened to me many times before. This is great. Reading many many experiences, I do not know if it is normal though. Which is not bad. It just seems that I have had several experience that I cannot relay to many people. When I see it written as you have, I know, it is worded specifically so.

I need to address Sleep paralysis. SP is an action or lack there of. It is a cause and effect. Becasue of this, some may NEVER experience SP. Although subjective I believe some feel that they can induce SP, possibly they can manipulate the "state of being" to such a degree. It is my belief that it is our endevours to lucid dream and to become aware at dreaming intervals that puts US in a good scenario for SP to happen rather than us creating SP. I guess that is neither here nor their.
I do think it is important to NOT associate SP with the success or even the means or signs of Lucidity.
Sleep paralysis. === As we fall asleep our motor functions are shut down as we enter a Rapid eye movement period. All but our eyes. Hence, rapid EYE movement. The movement of our eyes follow that of the movement in our dreams. The rest of us is paralyzed, this in effect prohibits us from flailing around in our sleep. As we awake from a dream state there are times that we awake before our brain conveys a message to turn our motor skills back on. SO we lay there, aware but unable to move. (this is why it should not be scary) SP can last from moments to minutes. I have had it last long enough that I did begin to get shaken, as If it was not coming back to me. But it does. There are always variables. Like the case in which we do jump around in our sleep, mumble or what have you. This being the same example turned the other way around.
oooooy -enough about SP. Just realize it is no gauge to which lucidity is judged by.
You put yourself in the PERFECT setting for WBTB as you know.
Our sleeping mind, for a alack of a better word is still ready to go. Our waking mind was activated and awaken enough to be engaged actively and more readily. Having gone back to bed you quickly fall into a REM cycle and have just within your reach the conscious mind. (which you just aroused) even better with engaging in a more rigorous mind frame. Homework

This vivd HI was in reaction to the above scenario. Just as you are in a realm of a quick WBTB experience comes with it HI. Which is no more than subconscious intervals of visualization. THIS time however you were aware of them. One more sign of being closer to your awareness of a sleeping state. One more way to induce a WILD. HIT is a WILD, just via enhanced imagery to get there. easier IMO.

SO it seems to me all these experiences were in and around a dream. As you had made a conscious movement, your conscious waking mind took over the scene. Then again you did a RC in which it seemed real. When you felt this shift you had shifted into a dream. Becasue you had not convinced yourself of that, it seemed real, the events again unfolded like the first. You snapped yourself out of a state of subconscious thought.

Now the black vision..... This will sound contradictory and because it seemingly is, I cannot tell you 100% what stage of consciousness you are in. I am going to guess the first because of the beginning stage of sleep that you describe.
In my experience, this stage of a monochromatic scene (mine often brown) I think is also a between stage, much like SP but visually. - seems to make sense.
I have had on only a few occasions fallen into a state I believe to be both. This had come after the direct event of very very vivd, life like lucid dreams. I had Partially woke up to have neither my vision, just black, brown or who knows. In addition I was in a SP state. I called the experience a void when it had happened. I was in a void of just consciousness for there was nothing else.
Some had explained this to me as a near death experience. At the time I had been to no surprise a little scared. I do not believe this is the case. Why would it be? I have not been provided with enough substantial evidence for me to believe that there is any reason to really think so.

What is substantial is that lucid dreaming is not a belief of a mystic, a phenomenon, a hoax or imaginative, it is a physiological experience.

Good grief. With you adoption I have been explaining the events and logic behind what happens. This I feel may be a keener approach to learning Lucid dreaming. To learn anything. To know why something happens and to understand why it happens takes the why out of it. It leaves just the do.

The downside. I just wrote a Thesis. But possibly being boring maybe I put you into a sleep state.

yelizaveta, you were in a dream. You just were not completely aware that you were.
Happy dreaming!!!

Thanks for the thesis
The SP part definitely helped, but i think i should elaborate more. I definitely believed wholeheartedly that I was in a dream. It's just that whenever I tried to take it further, say, get my dream body out of bed and do something, it didn't work.. My real question is did I just not wait long enough to get into 100% dream state? Because I was still vaguely aware of my real body..

Originally Posted by yelizaveta

Thanks for the thesis
The SP part definitely helped, but i think i should elaborate more. I definitely believed wholeheartedly that I was in a dream. It's just that whenever I tried to take it further, say, get my dream body out of bed and do something, it didn't work.. My real question is did I just not wait long enough to get into 100% dream state? Because I was still vaguely aware of my real body..

Could you explain more by what you mean by your "dream body" As feeling of two different bodies, an out of body?

I wonder how many mentors and students from the adoption program have posts like these. Its very interesting to read.

Of course, the advice isn't tailored to an outsider's personal questions, but it is possible to learn from the teaching of others.

Originally Posted by Howie

Could you explain more by what you mean by your "dream body" As feeling of two different bodies, an out of body?

Yes, I had entered the dream, and i began to feel a dream body along witht the HI, but i was still somewhat aware of my real body, there was a duality of sorts. On the one hand I had reached up and done the nose RC with my dream hand, so I had a 'dream body' but on the other i could still in the back of my mind feel the pressure of my real body in bed, i knew the position i was lying down in, and at the same time i was also aware of my dream, i had progressed from just HI. It was really bizarre. Does that make any sense?

This is pretty interesting; I never attained lucidity yet, but in my WILD attempts, I managed to reach this "void" state : everything was black around me, but I could see the blackness with my dream's eyes. And as you said, I was still aware of my real body in my bed, and knew I was in complete control of it.

In one of the tutorial's guide (here), seeker says that when in blackness, you can try to very slowly open your eyes. But that means to have control on your dream body...

Maybe I am too impatient, and that I need to take the time to fully relax and forget about my real body...

Originally Posted by iwantjelly

This is pretty interesting; I never attained lucidity yet, but in my WILD attempts, I managed to reach this "void" state : everything was black around me, but I could see the blackness with my dream's eyes. And as you said, I was still aware of my real body in my bed, and knew I was in complete control of it.

In one of the tutorial's guide (here), seeker says that when in blackness, you can try to very slowly open your eyes. But that means to have control on your dream body...

Maybe I am too impatient, and that I need to take the time to fully relax and forget about my real body...

the weird thing is, I had already been in a dreamscene with no blackness, I could see my dream surroundings and it wasn't HI anymore but a full scene. I did a nose RC and it worked, but when I decided to leave the room things went black.