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      A story on becoming lucid - grandpa sings Depeche Mode :)

      A few days ago I became interested in lucid dreaming and was quite surprised to find a big amount of information on the internet. Anyway, I started to write down my dreams, and finally today I experienced a lucid dream (although an extremely short one).

      The funny thing is, how I attained lucidity. In my dream, I was talking to my deceased grandfather (he would be 84 now). He was talking about a job he used to do when he was young. Believe or not, his job was to develop a program that would control a ``pay-shower'' (a shower into which you must insert a coin in order to get a shower). This insane job didn't look strange to me at all, even though he had nothing to do with computers in his life, and there were hardly any computers or pay-showers here when he was young.

      However, when he finished talking, he started to sing ``Walking in my shoes'' by Depeche Mode. At this point I told to myself - ``This is impossible, my grandpa is singing Depeche Mode! I must be dreaming!''

      Unfortunately, I was so excited I became lucid that I almost immediately awoke.

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      *laughs* i can't believe nobody has replied to this.

      if you check back and read this mitkey, congrats on your first lucid.

      if my dead grandpa (either of them) started singing depeche mode i'd be laughing my ass off.

      keep at it, and you'll have tons more opportunities to maintain lucidity.


      “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” (or better yet: three...)
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      No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker. - Mikhail Bakunin

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      Thanks for feedback, Asher.

      If my grandpa lived today I wonder what would be his reaction to my dream, considering he used to listen to Frank Sinatra and the like.

      It is a strange coincidence that just today I've had another lucid dream, maybe it helps if you reply. :-D

      This experience was a little bit longer, but it still wasn't long enough. I had several other (non-lucid) dreams that night, so maybe that is the cause I don't remember more.

      I was at home with two people. Suddenly (I don't remember how) I realised I'm dreaming. First I wanted to inform them about this, but my logic worked this time, so I just told them that they were my imagination. I rushed onto the balcony (I live in the eight floor), jumped over the railing and flew. In the begining I was just flying by inertia, as if there was no gravity. So I tried superman-style flying and that worked. However after a few seconds I lost altitude and was flying just above the ground. I don't remember what followed then.

      This time I didn't wake up, but then again, I wasn't excited either. I didn't experience the world around me becoming ``brighter'', nor did I feel excited while airborne. I guess that next time, I must fly higher and pay attention to details.

      Do you ever get dissapointed with your lucid experience, feeling that you have not done enough to enjoy it?

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      This time I didn't wake up, but then again, I wasn't excited either. I didn't experience the world around me becoming ``brighter'', nor did I feel excited while airborne. I guess that next time, I must fly higher and pay attention to details. *

      Do you ever get dissapointed with your lucid experience, feeling that you have not done enough to enjoy it? [/b]
      well, i've had about 25 lucids in the past few months (first ones), and in about 20 of them i was dissappointed to various degrees, feeling that i squandered it, or could have gotten more out of it. most were fairly short.

      seeing as you are already noticing the same thing i have some advice that might save you some time and frustration. when you first become lucid, don't do anything except stand still and look around. this may sound odd, but i swear by it now.

      if everything is very realistic and vibrant (or extra-vibrant), and your sensations are fully engaged (or extraordinarily engaged), then go nuts. do whatever you want. it will certainly be a mind-blowing experience.

      but if you find that everything is sort of vague, or you aren't really experiencing the dream, so much as having a stream of dull concepts pass before your eyes, try stabilizing. i say this because every single dream where i was dissappointed i wasn't as lucid as i could have been. sure, i knew i was dreaming, and so instantly tried to fly, or have dream sex, or whatever. but i'd usually wake up pretty quickly, and the dreams weren't very realistic or exciting.

      but the two that really stand out, and by far the longest ones, are those in which i didn't get ahead of myself as soon as i got lucid. i stood still and said "ok, i'm dreaming. but everytime i get caught up in it right away, i always wake up and realize the dream wasn't all i hoped it to be".
      then i look around, and notice that things aren't nearly as vivid and lively as they could be. its hard to explain, but i've realized in lots of dreams, its almost as if flimsy concepts and words are substituted for experiences. one can have a dream that resembles a story. you can remember it after, and write it down, and know you've been through it, but its not real, so much as dim, empty concepts.

      anyways, there are different ways to liven up the dream. try rubbing your hands really fast, until you get that burning feeling. say "clarity now!" really loudly. look at your hands in great detail, until you are amazed at the intricacy of them. or try anything else you can think of to bring about a level of vividness you are happy with. remember, if you aren't happy with it while you are in the dream, you won't be when you wake up. you determine the memorability, excitement, and fun qualities to a dream while in them.

      survey your environement again. it should be very realistic, and your senses should be fully engaged. THEN go and jump off the balcony. there is hardly a comparison between a fully lucid dream, and a short, mildly fuzzy one where one never really fully real-izes their lucidity.

      whenever i become lucid and instantly get caught up in the dream and run off to do something, i wake up feeling a little dissappointed. but the times where i've remembered to stabilize the realism and fully survey my surroundings, and ensure they are at a level of vividness/realism i am happy with, i stay lucid longer, have a better, more exciting/beautiful dream, and am much happier when i wake up.

      whew that's quite the post, heh.

      its not as clear as i wanted to put it, but hopefully you get the gist of what i'm trying to say.

      i've been skydiving a couple times, and had my share of breath-takingly beautiful mushrooms trips, yada yada yada. lucid dreaming can be just as good, or even better. as long as i make sure i start the dream off in the right frame of mind...

      good luck


      “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” (or better yet: three...)
      George Bernard Shaw

      No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker. - Mikhail Bakunin

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      oh, and in case my replies do induce lucids for you somehow, i'm double posting...you can have two tonight! the only condition is you have to try a variation of my suggested method in one of them


      “If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” (or better yet: three...)
      George Bernard Shaw

      No theory, no ready-made system, no book that has ever been written will save the world. I cleave to no system. I am a true seeker. - Mikhail Bakunin

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      Asher, thanks for the exhaustive info. I know the feeling when ``concepts'' substitute ``vivid experiences'' very well. In fact, I believe that most of my dreams are those of the ``concept'' kind. I will definitely try to apply all this. Too bad I read it only now, since I had a lucid dream today, and yesterday a semi-lucid one. Looks like your posts really do work, in fact they work regardless of if I read them. :-D Anyway, I'm eager to post my experiences, since the lucid dream I had was the lucidiest ever.


      Both my dreams occured after waking up and falling asleep again (although I have been awake only mere seconds). I became lucid while dreaming about waking up. I ``woke up'' and noticed that my roommate was sleeping in his bed together with a woman. The only sensible explanation was that I was dreaming. I'm really thankful to my brain for feeding myself with such absurd situations. :-D

      This time I was able to dampen the euphoria and ``higher brain functions'' to prevent me from waking up. I walked around the room and carefully examined everything around me, trying to focus on the quality of the image. The quality wasn't bad, but according to what you say, it still could have been a lot better if I had rubbed my hands. I found out I was able to move doorknobs at will, although I don't really know why I tried to do that. Then I tried to ``teleport'' a person into my room at will. I closed my eyes and tried to imagine him teleporting into my room. I was partially succesful - my ``dream reality'' and ``dream imagination'' blended together into something between.

      Then I experienced a FA. I felt pain in my teeth and assumed it was my roommate who hit me while I was sleeping. Since we get on well in real life, I soon realised it was just a FA. Nevertheless, I looked at the digital clock. The digits were changing at a great speed. I tried hard to read the time anyway, but failed. Moreover, the clock started to become transparent. I think Hollywood and time travel movies are to blame. :-D

      Then I came to a conclusion that maybe I should fly again, so I climbed the window pane (moving the window knobs at will along the way). I wondered, why it was so bright outside and not dark. At that moment, the sky became dark. I jumped and flew. I recalled my last flight and started to worry if I wouldn't fly low again. At that moment I was teleported several tens of meters lower. So I decided to fly up. At that moment I was teleported into space. I manged to get into the orbit of a quite realistic Jupiter-like planet. Then my roommate woke me .


      I find it quite interesting how the imagination in a dream blends into the ``real situation'' in a dream. In fact it was so frequent in the last dream, that I almost had the feeling that I'm dreaming about imagining and not dreaming about a ``real situation''. Maybe rubbing hands will help it. I tried to spin in the semi-lucid dream I had only to get the feeling that I was becoming dizzy and since I was convinced that I was sleeping while sitting, I was afraid I would fall off the bed.

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