Thread: REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

Originally Posted by .Val.

Hey, how does the 2-Way communication work? What can you tell the REM-Dreamer when you are lucid? Do you sort of use it just to tell the thing to stop flashing at you once you are lucid?

I ordered one of these the other day. I plan to have some lucids under my belt before I start using it, it's just something I'd really like to experiment with though.

When you ordered it, did you get an acknowledgment when it has been shipped or anything? I ordered mine a few days ago, and haven't heard anything. I'm keen to know when I will be getting it.

The 2WC works quite well. When the REM DREAMER starts cueing you just move your eyes up and down and it stops. It works well.

You get a couple of basic settings - low thru high. The Low setting just uses series of flashes in increasing intensity. The high setting uses both beeps and flashes. The medium setting starts with just flashing and then adds beeps iin the later series of cues.

The only thing I dont like about the 2WC is that it overides your normal settings for number of flashes/beeps. I like long sequences of cues - at least 20 seconds. The 2WC feature ignores your settings for cue lengths, brightness, number of flashes a second, etc. I hope in future versions the TWC version will be customizeable.

Originally Posted by Denny22

Mike, in your previous outings with the REMdreamer in which ways did the light appear in your dreams? I've heard from some it appeared as police sirens, a bright red sun and a flashlight. I guess the brain does it's best with the visual input to make the image more plausible?

Good question.

Well, it does differ for everyone, but yeah, your brain will attempt to incorporate the cues into whatever it can..

For me they've been: (With the older model, have yet to notice cues with this one)

-Flying saucers
-someone shining a laser pointer in my eye
-and my eyes just being flooded with red light
-the blinking red lights on the bottom of airplanes (exaggeratedly bright though)

So far, no LD's from the REMdreamer pro, it is helping with recall though, recalled about 5 dreams last night.

I think it'll be a matter of using it in combination with WILD attempts and tweaking the settings.

Originally Posted by .Val.

When you ordered it, did you get an acknowledgment when it has been shipped or anything? I ordered mine a few days ago, and haven't heard anything.

- Don't worry about this mate..wait a bit longer and then message the guy, chances are it will ship out in a day or two, then he'll let you know, that's what happened with mine.

For someone else with the same model,
(EvilDoctor)?can you answer me these, I have a few questions and the REMdreamer guys are awful to get ahold of.

1) When I have the preset setting for "medium TWC" set, and I put in a delay time, is it normal for the lights to give a quick flash about 20 minutes later (if I had the delay set for 20 minutes)..I kind of remember reading that but I'm not sure.

2) Also, is it normal for whatever preset (or custom settings) you have set in, for the unit to give a quick flash just before the end of the delay time to let you know it's about to begin its REM sensing?

3) When I sleep with the mask, I usually sleep with it in the mode 0:0, as this is where you set the delay time (after I choose either TWC, my custom settings, or a preset). When I awaken from a dream due to some cues perhaps and want to reset the delay time, will 2 or 3 presses of the button in 0:0 give me 20/30 more minutes of sleep respectively, before REM sensing (in the mode I chose), or do I have to go to "0:2" then back to "0:0" and then press the button for every 10 minutes of delay.

4) Also, for the TWC, Evildoctor, can you tell me, if and when I become lucid due to cues, how much time will the machine give me, from recognizing my eye movements, and stopping its cues, until it begins cuing again, or do I have to wake, and re-set the delay time?

Thanks for the help anyone..

look forward to sharing some more interesting results.

Originally Posted by bro

For someone else with the same model,
(EvilDoctor)?can you answer me these, I have a few questions and the REMdreamer guys are awful to get ahold of.

1) When I have the preset setting for "medium TWC" set, and I put in a delay time, is it normal for the lights to give a quick flash about 20 minutes later (if I had the delay set for 20 minutes)..I kind of remember reading that but I'm not sure.

2) Also, is it normal for whatever preset (or custom settings) you have set in, for the unit to give a quick flash just before the end of the delay time to let you know it's about to begin its REM sensing?

3) When I sleep with the mask, I usually sleep with it in the mode 0:0, as this is where you set the delay time (after I choose either TWC, my custom settings, or a preset). When I awaken from a dream due to some cues perhaps and want to reset the delay time, will 2 or 3 presses of the button in 0:0 give me 20/30 more minutes of sleep respectively, before REM sensing (in the mode I chose), or do I have to go to "0:2" then back to "0:0" and then press the button for every 10 minutes of delay.

4) Also, for the TWC, Evildoctor, can you tell me, if and when I become lucid due to cues, how much time will the machine give me, from recognizing my eye movements, and stopping its cues, until it begins cuing again, or do I have to wake, and re-set the delay time?

Thanks for the help anyone..

look forward to sharing some more interesting results.

Sorry bro - Im on a business trip to Europe and asia - Im in China this week. Its been kind of busy so i've not been online much.

Answers to the above:

1) Yes - the unit always gives a few breif flashes to let you know the delay time has expired. This is useful as you can press the central button a few times if you are not asleep yet. Each press of the button gives another 10 minutes delay - the unit will beep and flash once to confirm each extra ten minutes when you press the button. This also makes a useful RC. Once or twice I have had false awakenings and I pressed the central button and the unit made a slow pathetic sound like the batteries had run down.

2) yes - same answer as 1 - the unit always gives a breif double flash when the delay time expires for whatever custom or TWC settings you have chosen.

3) YOu are doing the right thing. I always leave it in 0:0 mode, because as you said this allows you to start a new period of delay after the unit fires a cue. If the unit wakes me during a dream or when I wake after a dream I normally just press the button to set a new delay time. 1 press for each ten minutes of delay you want. I normally press the button 2 or 3 times (20-30 mins) to give me time to fall back to sleep and start dreaming again. I am quite good at DEILD so I often go straight back into a lucid - therefore an extra 30 mins of delay is great as it doesnt screw with the start of my lucid. Sometimes the REM DREAMER fires in the middle of a lucid - more often it just "blinds" me and I have to wait for the dream scene to re-render. The REM Dreamer can be odd this way - it can cause you to become lucid - but can "ruin" a good lucid if it fires and wakes you. At the weekend when I can become lucid without the REM DREAMER I normally use it with a delay of 4-5 hours to wake me once I hit REM. Then I take some supplements and do without it. I get more use from the REM dreamer mid week when my nights are shorter and I am less likely to get lucid without help.

4) It does not take long to turn the cues off - just 3 or 4 seconds of strong up and down eye movement. When you wake at the end of the lucid (I always wake at the end of a lucid) then you can press the middle button to reset the delay time as before - 1 press = 10 minutes of additional delay. This will start a new "cycle" and the REM DREAM will begin REM detection and start TWC after the delay time elapses.

Hope this helps

Thank you evildoctor. Much appreciated. That answered every one of my questions.

I've taken a bit of a break from using the REMdreamer to work on mr LD'ing and WILD's without it, but It's a good feeling knowing it's there.

Bro,

its good to give the REM DREAMER a rest every now and then. Sometimes the mind just gets too clever at assimilating the cues into dreams.

A few nights ago mine fired a series of cues during a very vivid dream. I was in my kitchen talking to some people when the flashing lights blinded me. In my dream I said "damn im wearing my REM dreamer!" - so in my dream I take it off and then start showing the people I am with what it is and how it works. Completely nuts - didnt even occur to me that I might be dreaming! Then in the same dream I am walking up my street a little later when the thing fires again, this time I say "Shit! I thought I took this thing off back in the kitchen"!! Annoying.

Even the instructions suggest giving it a rest for periods here and there - good advice IMO.

Well, I got my REM Dreamer yesterday. Didn't actually take that long to arrive.

It seemed a bit confusing when I first started playing with it, but now that I am beginning to understand it it seems to make sense.

I went to bed wearing it last night with a four hour delay before it started. Dream Alert was also turned on. It woke me up not long after four hours with the dream alert, and I remembered a small dream.

The dream alert went off one more time later on in the morning, but I didn't recall any dreams.

When I woke up in the morning it told me that it had only gone off twice in the night. Which seemed really strange, as in... I thought it should be more.

I had an afternoon nap just before (1 1/2 hour) and it didn't go off once.

I'll see how I go tonight.

Val - You need to change the sensitivity. I have mine set on one. It should generate 10 to 20 cues a night if you have it set right. If it only fired a few times then your sensitivity level is wrong.

BTW - if you are using the software then the LOWER the number setting the more sensitive it is. I thought this would be the other way around and made the mistake of setting it to 9 - and then found It barely worked at all until I figured it out.

Thanks Evildoctor!

I set it to one last night, and had much better success. It went off 16 times last night. Whenever I saw it in the dream, though, it didn't come through so much as an integrated part of my dream it was a big flashing red - I couldn't see anything else while that was on.

I had great success last night, I think.

I remember seeing the lights and thinking, "Okay, this is a dream!"

I think at one stage I had become nonlucid because I think they flashed again and I said, "Oh yeah!"

At another point of the dream I tried doing a reality check. They didn't work! I tried pushing my thumb through my hand. I tried recalling the last few things I had done. I tried holding my nose. My thumb didn't go through my hand. I recalled all the events of the dream. And I didn't think I could breath.

After all that I said to myself, 'Look, I KNOW this is a dream, so I'm just going to ignore all that anyway."

Another thing happened: the dream ended, and I tried to carry on over into another dream, but nothing happened.

I think I now need to understand more the levels of lucidity. Because while my dreamself found out he was dreaming - at no stage do I believe that I me had actual control of my thoughts and actions.

Anyway, sorry to keep hijacking this thread! After a month of not much success, I am really excited about progress just after two nights of the Rem Dreamer.

First off, Bro was nice enough to send me his old REMdreamer motherboard. Not only was this a lovely offer but he even told me not to send him more than postage would cost. Well, I couldn't accept it like that so I sent an amazon gift card his way. Anyway, he did a really nice thing and I appreciate it greatly.

Anyhoo, I made a homemade dream mask for the motherboard and it's great. I'll post pics soon but last night while using the PDF manual I messed around with the controls. I'll be honest, I didn't know what I was doing but I believe it'll take time to understand how to work it. So, I did a WBTB and set it for 40 minutes and fell to sleep. The WBTB was at 7.20 am and I woke up at 8.15 am just after coming out of a WILD.

Ok, I didn't see the lights however I don't remember falling asleep. My theory is that the lights woke me up after flashing and after laying for for an instant I started to "roll" into a WILD. And the WILD itself? Not too long as I merely looked out my window and was amazed how not only were the tress blowing in the wind but also was each leaf. Amazing detail!

If they did wake me up for a WILD then they did exactly what I wanted them to do to be honest.

Thoughts?

Couple of Questions for the REM DREAMERS out there,hope not off topic.

From the posts I see that In TWC voluntary up and down eye movements or similar beneath the lids can be set to trigger the REM DREAMER to switch off the flashing cues,however in its normal operation status ie when it's watching to detect REM eye movements, can voluntary eye movements trigger its cueing activation or does it only respond to REM ?
If normal eye movements do trigger it on, then I see why you might set an activation delay to be well asleep.

Second but linked, in another thread I'm following http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=51380 (hope this is the right way to link to it!) it was said that REM movements were nothing like those created voluntarily,so trying to make a conscious connection... between voluntarily moved eyes eg simulated REM and the "I'm dreaming" message wouldn't work. However I've come accross some research which seems to indicate that when visualizing a scene eye movements very similar to REM are created......Finally the question...If your REM DREAMERS only respond to REM can someone tell me if they can trigger it on by visualization of some scene?

Originally Posted by Denny22

Thoughts?

It was a pleasure to send. Thanks for the gift card as well. Now we've both got a very similar device.

Well I think it was a short WILD like you said. It's great that you already know the sensation of "rolling into" a WILD..that's a big step in the right direction.

How often do you do reality checks? That's a crucial part of lucid dreaming, with or without an induction device. I think if you get into the habit of doing more, perhaps coupled with the REMdreamer, your bound to get lucid more often.

Also, since lucidity is already on your mind, and since you'll probably get lucid again very soon due to so much thought and so many attempts, do nothing the next time you get lucid. just sit down, feel your surroundings, run your hand across the wall and appreciate the little details you see, feel and smell and just sense. This will ground you and allow you to make the LD last longer and hopefully, be more vivid.

Also, I'd suggest trying some of the WILD techniques listed throughout the site. I'd reccomend "KingYoshi's" WILD technique or "Clairity's" Wild technique. Takes effort but its worth it. Perhaps coupled with the REMdreamer you can have even more success.

Congrats! Best of lucid luck

i just got a rem dreamer myself. this thread has been helpful.

what isn't helpful is the manual. wondering if some more experience REM Dreamer users want to help me put together a users manual for the REM Dreamer with images and better directions so we may all benefit from the rem dreamer.

Well after reading this thread I think I'm convinced. I just ordered the REM-Dreamer. Hopefully this device is as good as I hope it is.

hi,

may i know who those who has purchase this remdreamer, do u guys still experience lucid dream now??
how about the new version of nova dreamer mask ?


thanks

I have one, I love the idea of it but i have never got lucid from it

Recall has to be really good to get any use from it ^^

i have heard many ppl not able to exp lucid dream from this remdreamer...think this device not working well...

Well I just got my REM-Dreamer a few days ago and I have already had one lucid dream from it. I am still messing with the settings though to find something comfortable, at first it was constantly waking me up. But I think the device can work. I am going to give it another week or two and then write a full review. Wish me luck.

I had my best successes with this in the first two weeks. I didn't get completely lucid with it, but I got closer than I ever have been. I haven't tried it for a month or two now, but the last few times I tried it I either didn't wake up, or more often I woke up to discover I had taken it off in my sleep.

hi cyber,

how is your testign with the remdreamer now?

Originally Posted by evildoctor

In the other chair was a black guy I have never met. He was amazed by the REM Dreamer, which I was showing to him. I was explaining the delay function, how the infra-red REM movement detector worked and the cues etc. I suddenly realized that the armchairs were facing the wrong way and I had no idea who the black guy was or what he was doing in my bedroom at night

LOL. Sounds like a good deal.

How does this comlare with Kvasar? I was to build one, but if this is better, might as well save time.

Ordered mine REM Dreamer before 2 days, I hope it will speed up my learning in lucid dreaming.

Got my REM Dreamer yesterday, after ordering on the 15th. Really nice build, but I am modding the strap, so it isn't just velcro. Fell off last night

Hey guys...
Glad to hear it works...but...
I have a big question...
I'm thinking of buying it,but scared that it will lessen my natural ability to Lucid Dream...
I'm glad that there's a device that helps,but I wanna do it the natural way every now and then..
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
-Sam