Thread: REM DReamer works! Sort Of...

Wow that's cool. I can't wait to hear about what happens.

I think I have it cracked now. At first the settings were two high.

I then turned everything down and the last few nights the REM Dreamer was triggered 3-6 times but did not wake me (I did not notice the cues either). I have the sensitivity set right now. I have increased the brightness of the cues today.

I also have the delay time cracked - I found that setting the delay manually before bed works much better. I set the dials to 9:1 and turn it on - then turn the dials to 0:0 and press the button (1 press per ten minutes of delay time).

Now its Friday I will have the chance tonight to use it for WBTB. Will post what occurs over the weekend.

I am also in the Chicago suburbs and just ordered a REM Dreamer on friday night. Glad to hear it came relatively fast. Did you receive any information from the company with shipping details or anything? Or even a "thank you for ordering" message? I'm hoping to hear something from them just to know it's coming. Of course I ordered it on the weekend and it's not yet monday. Also, how's it working for you? Have you tried the TWC feature?

Gameover,

I ordered it and paid with PayPal on August 12 - and got the usual confirmation/receipt etc.

I got an email from someone called PawelH (the owner presumeably) on the 18th saying that the REM DReamer Pro had shipped - I think I got it about 5 days later.

I was surprised how quick it was as I had seen various posts about the process taking a long time. I thought the process was very quick and efficient.

The unit works fine and I now have the "right" settings for me.

I must say that I have not had a full lucid induced directly by the device. This is probably not the fault of the device. I can get lucid without any device at the weekend when I can get a decent 8 hours or more sleep. I bought the device specifically for during the work week when I only get 5-6 hours - I never get lucid during the work week.

Interestingly this morning I had a false awakening that was directly due to the REM Dreamer. I was dreaming that I was dozing in bed and had taken the REM Dreamer OFF. I was woken by the flashing cues and felt my wife pressing the unit against my face. I said "what are you doing?" - she laughed and said "I think the flashing lights are funny". I said "go away and leave me alone - you have to get ready for work". She walked into our bathroom and I rolled over and went back to sleep. Then the cues flashed AGAIN - and I woke up (for real) - it was still dark and I was wearing the REM DReamer. I realized the first awakening was false - my wife doesnt even know how to work the unit - let alone press it to my face and make it cue.

I have had many many dreams where the cues must have been assimilated into my dream. My dream diary is full "sudden blinding flashes" - often in my dream I sheild my eyes and carry one with the dream without realizing what the flashes were - still early days.

When the cues go off and wake me I am training myself by saying over and over "When ever I see these flashing red lights I will know I am dreaming and become lucid. Like I said - early days.

So it works- and shows much promise - but Im still at the phase of trying to recognise the cues while dreaming.

I had an excellent lucid on FRiday night - The cues woke me - so obviously I was in a REM cycle. I then went straight into a DEILD or mini WILD - I just lay still and held onto my conciousness and went immediately into a full lucid where I found my self flying over a monochromatic dessert at night.

So it helps me get lucid even indirectly - I have now dreamt of the unit several times and had some false awakenings.

I will try the TWC feature next. I must admit I did not read the full instructions and I thought this feature was the one that plays WAV files if you are linked up to a PC with headphones - which I dont bother with. Therefore a big thanks to you! Now I actually know what the TWC feature is it looks like it will be a big help. Especially mid week when the unit only generates 10 or 12 series of cues due to the shorter REM time I have available.

Will set it up now and try it this week.

Right after reading your post I got an email saying it was shipped. Hopefully it's here for the weekend. I think their reputation for slow delivery was from before. Their website used to seem shady and they were hard to reach. Seems they've improved their product and customer service.

The TWC feature is one of the main reasons I got it so please let me know if you have any success with it. Of course it's just an aid and a busy schedule can always derail lucid dreaming plans. Good luck.

hi,


how is the progress now?

r u guys still getting ld ?

thanks

mike

Originally Posted by nechong

hi,


how is the progress now?

r u guys still getting ld ?

thanks

mike

Mike/Nechong,

the posts above are only a few days old. I doubt Gameover has received his yet.

I have tried the TWC feature the last 2 nights. Monday I tried it on the "high" setting and it woke me up during a REM cycle. Last night was the same with medium.

I am also experimenting with my supplement regime. I used to take melotonine or 5htp or Tryphopan before bed to try and get some REM rebound before I have to get up up 4:30. I decided this might be conter productive and now im using just some calea extract. This also means I need to play with the delay time on the REM dreamer to see if I can catch some ealier REM cycles.

Still playing with it basically. Tonight I will try again on medium - but iake my favorite dream boosting supplement A-Acetyl L-Tyrosine

I would recommend getting one. I did get your pm btw. I have used it successfully - in as much that it can wake me at the start of a REM cycle and I can then DEILD. It has boosted the frequency of my LD's.

I hope at some point to get the settings, supplements and my own training to the point where I can LD many times midweek instead of just weekends.

It still hasn't arrived here. I'm hoping by Friday it will, but you never know with these things.

Evildoctor: I didn't realize there were different settings for the TWC feature. I thought it just increases in brightness until you become lucid or wake up. How does that affect the brightness pattern? Or am I not understanding something? Also are you getting used to sleeping with it? Either way I should find this all out myself soon enough. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.

Originally Posted by gameover

It still hasn't arrived here. I'm hoping by Friday it will, but you never know with these things.

Evildoctor: I didn't realize there were different settings for the TWC feature. I thought it just increases in brightness until you become lucid or wake up. How does that affect the brightness pattern? Or am I not understanding something? Also are you getting used to sleeping with it? Either way I should find this all out myself soon enough. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.

TWC has four settings including OFF:

The low setting runs a short series of cues - and repeats these a number of times with increasing intensity/brightness.

The high setting runs more agressivley in terms of increasing brightness and number of flashes - and starts making beeps also after the second series - so you get increasing noise and light intensity.

Medium is inbetween (as you can guess) - the last 2 series of cues include beeping.

When I tried the high setting Monday night it was the beeping that woke me up.


As to comfort - I now sleep with it all night. At first I struggled with it being too tight. This is annoyingly necessary!! If its too loose then it just falls off in the night or you wake up with it up on your forehead or something dumb.

I found that it always stays on if you put the velcro on the tightest setting and run the strap OVER your ears and around the top of your neck - this creates a kind of diagonal tension that keeps it pinned on your face no matter what.


The first week I found it would get real irritating in the early hours and sometimes I took it off. Its amazing how quickly the human body and mind adapt and now I sleep with it on all night and actually find it quite comfortable. Just persevere and I promise you will get used to it and even comfortable with it.

The foam padding is pretty good also.

Here is a tip also :

USE THE DREAM PRO SOFTWARE TO SET THE DEVICE UP AND ALTER THE SETTINGS!!! THEN TURN THE DEVICE OFF WITH THE SOFTWARE ALSO AND PUT THE UNIT BY YOUR BED FOR WHEN YOU NEED IT LATER. NEVER SET THE DELAY TIME WITH THE SOFTWARE!!!!!

I found it best to turn the dials to 9:1 at bed time (having set up everything else with the software during the day/evening) and press the RC button to turn the device on. Then turn the dials to 0:0. Then put it on, turn out the lights, lie down and then press the RC button one time for each ten minutes of delay you want (eg 12 times for 2 hours). If you are doing WBTB then of course dont put the mask on when you first go to sleep - only turn it on at WBTB and set the delay to 30-40 minutes (3-4) presses - this works great.

I just found delay setting really hit an miss with the software - but the software is great for all else.

Its also important to know how to set delay manually. If you want to try for a second lucid for example then its way easier to have the device on 0:0 and just press the RC button a few times before rolling over and going back to sleep.

Hope that all helps

I did not order the Pro version so Ill be doing it all manually. I'm sure Ill get used to it on my face. I'm already learning how to sleep on my back in preparation. I appreciate all your tips for the settings. It sounds like a bit of a process working that all out. I'm glad there are settings for the TWC feature. Customization seems key for all of this. In the meantime Id better keep looking for light cues and try and stay aware. I just read the VILD tutorial and Id like to explore that. Thanks again and keep posting your successes and failures.

It arrived! I ordered it late friday night and it arrived one week later, saturday morning. I actually missed the mail lady and had to drive around looking for her when I saw the note on the front door. I found her a couple streets down and got my package just in time.

Anyways, it feels comfortable on the tightest Velcro setting(my preference anyways) and seems fairly easy to program. Nice instructions. Can't wait to try this thing out. How's it been going for you evildoctor?

Originally Posted by gameover

It arrived! I ordered it late friday night and it arrived one week later, saturday morning. I actually missed the mail lady and had to drive around looking for her when I saw the note on the front door. I found hand couple streets down and got my package just in time.

Anyways, it feels comfortable on the tightest Velcro setting(my preference anyways) and seems fairly easy to program. Nice instructions. Can't wait to try this thing out. How's it been going for you evildoctor?

Will be interested to hear how you get on. Good luck.

Ok. First night with it. It worked but I foolishly didn't become lucid. First instance of flashing lights was a gun fight that suddenly broke out around me. I was so worried about getting shot it never occurred to me that it could be a dream. Second occurrence , I was a super hero(not something I usually dream of) and it was nighttime. Suddenly I had night vision goggles that would flash on and off rhythmically. I remember thinking .oO(why can't they just stay on? Why do they have to pulse like that?) Then, later in another dream, I was running in a hallway...there was some emergency and the hallway lights were flashing.

So the thing works, and I'm a fool. Better luck this night. Gotta get used to looking for flashing lights.


*****EDIT(adding some extra details about the settings)*****
So I was accidentally using the TWC mode last night because I did not realize I had to turn it off to go to regular mode. I had punched in TWC earlier when messing around with it in the day. I thought punching in the 1-1 preset would turn off TWC. So, most of the night I kept waking up when it started beeping and I just kept setting it to 1-1 again. Finally I read the book in the night and realized there was a way to specifically turn off the TWC. But I actually think I prefer the TWC. It had more effect on me. But perhaps I just need to turn the brightness up. I just might try the TWC setting without the beeps tonight.

The second night I had the flashes set too dim. No effects on my dreams. I think I'm someone who needs it bright.

Last night I was dreaming that I was in my mom's house and the lights in her house started flashing brightly. At first I tried to rationalize it. Then it happened again and I thought..."hey, is this my REM Dreamer?" I did a reality check and immediately realized I was dreaming. I ran to the window to jump out and have some fun but there were 5 sets of blinds in the way. I finally got past them, opened the window and climbed out, but for some reason decided that I could kill myself jumping out the 4th floor window(no 4th or even 3rd floor in real life) , and decided I wasn't in fact dreaming. So I climbed down the side of the house and then came back in.

I'm quite mad at myself but happy that I did get lucid temporarily and I'm getting closer. Im training myself to get used to looking for the flashes. I think I put some extra pressure on myself as well since I just bought this thing and really want it to work for me. But the device does work great. It's giving me great cues. It's in my hands now. After three nights I can say I'm very pleased with the quality of the REM Dreamer. It has done exactly what it's supposed to and is actually better than I thought with all the different options.

Sounds great, and sounds like the stage it takes some people ages to get to you've got to really quickly.

Originally Posted by gameover

The second night I had the flashes set too dim. No effects on my dreams. I think I'm someone who needs it bright.

Last night I was dreaming that I was in my mom's house and the lights in her house started flashing brightly. At first I tried to rationalize it. Then it happened again and I thought..."hey, is this my REM Dreamer?" I did a reality check and immediately realized I was dreaming. I ran to the window to jump out and have some fun but there were 5 sets of blinds in the way. I finally got past them, opened the window and climbed out, but for some reason decided that I could kill myself jumping out the 4th floor window(no 4th or even 3rd floor in real life) , and decided I wasn't in fact dreaming. So I climbed down the side of the house and then came back in.

I'm quite mad at myself but happy that I did get lucid temporarily and I'm getting closer. Im training myself to get used to looking for the flashes. I think I put some extra pressure on myself as well since I just bought this thing and really want it to work for me. But the device does work great. It's giving me great cues. It's in my hands now. After three nights I can say I'm very pleased with the quality of the REM Dreamer. It has done exactly what it's supposed to and is actually better than I thought with all the different options.

Cool - well done.

I was playing with the TWC feature - but found it changes the length of the cues. Like you I need it set failry bright (6) and like 15 - 20 seconds of cues. The TWC feature overides these settings and give short series of cues in increasing brightness.

I still think you should invest the extra 50 bucks and get the Pro DReamer interface and software.

Every morning before work I go to my PC and plug the REM dreamer in and the software tells me how many cues were generated - I can then tweek the settings (if not enough) ready for the next night - this takes seconds rather than fiddle about with the dials.

I have also found that at the weekend when I can sleep in the the TWC feature is good - but I need to turn up the the brightness and cue length during the work week when I only get 5 hours of sleep and so have a very short REM window.

I don't have a pc. I have a mac so I don't think it would work unless I had windows on my mac. Either way, it's easy to see how many cues happened in the
night. And I find the dials easy to use. As far as I know about the software, it doesn't warrant 50 dollars on my tight budget.

The two nights I had
good cues I had it set at the TWC medium level. I like it because it gets brighter, I notice it more, and then it beeps later if I don't wake up. It's also very easy to turn off with eye movements.

So if I set the TWC feature and then turn the beeps down, will TWC override this change? Or does it only override the flash brightness? Because I don't think the beep volume changes between medium and high setting.

Originally Posted by gameover

I don't have a pc. I have a mac so I don't think it would work unless I had windows on my mac. Either way, it's easy to see how many cues happened in the
night. And I find the dials easy to use. As far as I know about the software, it doesn't warrant 50 dollars on my tight budget.

The two nights I had
good cues I had it set at the TWC medium level. I like it because it gets brighter, I notice it more, and then it beeps later if I don't wake up. It's also very easy to turn off with eye movements.

So if I set the TWC feature and then turn the beeps down, will TWC override this change? Or does it only override the flash brightness? Because I don't think the beep volume changes between medium and high setting.

Im pretty sure it will override it. I normally leave the beeps off as these always just wake me up. It for sure overides the cue duration (seconds). Likewise the brightness as it starts low and then increases. Its logical therefore to assume it overides the beep volume also.

It sounds as though its working great for you already so I wouldnt change your game plan. I just seem to need a different plan for my shorter work nights. For me the TWC feature on medium or high will wake me up with the bleeping - and so far I have slept through the cues when set to low (although again this does NOT apply at the weekend when I get 8 or more hours of sleep and plenty of REM time). Manually setting 20 seconds of cues with 3 bright flashes a second works better for me mid week.

I made a small error in one sentence. I meant to say that ,with the TWC on medium, I like that it beeps if I don't become lucid because the beeps wake me up as well. It gives me moment in the night to remember my lucid dreaming goal. Of course on short rest, it's understandable not wanting to wake up.

How are the lights showing up in your dreams?

How do you get one?

Nice to see something actually works.... By the way do you have trouble sleeping with the mask on? I mean does it cause anxiety that the light is about to go off and makes falling asleep difficult?...I have that problem with device cues....

IMJ

Originally Posted by Lucas the Goat

How do you get one?

you can order one here.
http://www.remdreamer.com/

Originally Posted by imj

Nice to see something actually works.... By the way do you have trouble sleeping with the mask on? I mean does it cause anxiety that the light is about to go off and makes falling asleep difficult?...I have that problem with device cues....

IMJ

It is quite comfortable but last night I did take it off in my sleep. No memory of it but I woke up with it off and I don't remember any cues. But I had a rough day yesterday and guess I couldn't sleep on my back.

When I wake up in the night and reset the delay, it definitely can add a little stress to going to sleep. If I set the delay at 30 minutes I start thinking "I gotta get to sleep soon!" and that makes it hard. So I prefer to set a longer time just for that alone.

I think I'll just try a WBTB tonight and keep the mask off for the beginning of the night.

Originally Posted by gameover

It is quite comfortable but last night I did take it off in my sleep. No memory of it but I woke up with it off and I don't remember any cues. But I had a rough day yesterday and guess I couldn't sleep on my back.

When I wake up in the night and reset the delay, it definitely can add a little stress to going to sleep. If I set the delay at 30 minutes I start thinking "I gotta get to sleep soon!" and that makes it hard. So I prefer to set a longer time just for that alone.

I think I'll just try a WBTB tonight and keep the mask off for the beginning of the night.

Yeah I used to have that too until I installed a resettable feature for my device but now it becomes..."The light will be going off! So whether it's 1 hour or 30 min it makes little difference. I think it's mind over matter, I'm still trying to get used to the idea of a light going off while sleeping but it's been more than 6 months and the anxiety is still there... It reduced when I changed it to manual switching I think I'll stick to that and see if it can be used as an awareness induced WILD...LOL.

IMJ

I'm definitely considering getting one of these. Please continue posting your experiences with it.