Just another quick question about valerian root /calea Zacatechichi

[donnieb2]

Im trying to figure out which one i should try? Just wondering which is better for someone who has no problem reaching the stage of seeing HI's. But can never stay relaxed when they occur. I've read about both valerian root /calea z for relaxing and sleep and i still cant decide. They both sound good but i only got enough for one thing right now.

[Nemo]

I had used calea for about a week straight before I noticed a change, resulting in a series of three semi-lucid dreams one morning and a few short ones later. All of my lucids have been DILDs, though. I only notice a subtle sedative effect from calea, so I'm not sure if this directly fits your expectations. I have noticed more coherent dream story lines. If flighty HI elements are distracting and preventing you from relaxing, perhaps calea can help this.

[HonerableMoUsE]

Valerian Root works well for me. It smells really really bad though. . .but it set you up for a good night of sleep. I have number of vivid dreams when I take the stuff and I wake up not groggy

[donnieb2]

Thanks guy's for the reply but i was out of luck with the calea z. So i just went and ordered some melatonin and valerian root and b6.So ill be trying them together and see what happens.

[HonerableMoUsE]

you may never wake up!

[donnieb2]

you may never wake up! LOL i doubt that but i heard from report's that trying these together would give you a good chance at lucid dreaming or an obe. And ill settle for either one but ill post my result's if any if im still alive.

[HonerableMoUsE]

trying valerian and melatonin together you mean? I might try that then. . . They do sell stuff for LDs specifically... http://www.3pounduniverse.com/Produc...reams_s/64.htm this page has stuff for entering the dream state and for dreaming altogether. . .the only thing is I never heard of this stuff; if it works or not, and its so expensive...

[HonerableMoUsE]

actually the more I look into it, the "dreamamins" look pretty sweet. . .I may buy some and post how it works for me. . .

[Fiddler's Green]

actually the more I look into it, the "dreamamins" look pretty sweet. . .I may buy some and post how it works for me. . . The galantamine/choline combination works extremely well when used properly. There are quite a few threads on it here. As far as the valerian/melatonin combo, I highly doubt it will work to help increase your LD frequency. In fact I suspect it will decrease recall, but you never know I suppose. Everyones bodies vary.

[donnieb2]

trying valerian and melatonin together you mean? Yeah once it get's here i plan on trying all three before bed valerian/melatonin/b6 and see what happen's. And if nothing my second try would be to wait about a day or two. Then stay up 4 or 6 hr's or until i think most likely i would be in rem sleep then try it agian. And if still nothing im getting a refund And what fiddler was saying about recall my recall sucks i hardly remember anything already so i figure it cant get no worst. But my goal is staying calm during the HI's. Now my HI's are getting weirder and weirder now they have motion.I actually seen a horse running along side a wooden fence. But the quality of these scene are'nt that good it's like taking a movie clip and adding a grain effect and turning up the brightness to high.But seeing these make's me wonder am i already dreaming. But it dont feel like it feel's more like a thought. And every time i see these i snap out of it cause im not calm enough to be passive about it.So i hope valerian will do the trick in relaxing me.And the melatonin just to speed up the process in getting back to that state of mind.And the b6 i dont know i guess because everyone think's it's cool But any im gonna give it shot and see how it goe's

[Fiddler's Green]

L-theanine might be more likely to keep you relaxed. Try 300 mg of L-theanine and you should be golden.

[donnieb2]

L-theanine might be more likely to keep you relaxed. Try 300 mg of L-theanine and you should be golden. I sort of tried L-theanine it was melatonin that had some of that stuff in it as part of the ingredient.And yes it doe's work great but it only worked once for me.

[Firewalker]

L-Theanine works better for me. Valerian knocks me out, pretty much, though it does help you relax, it often puts you in to deep of sleep, though it might work after already sleeping, then take some valerian. I have tried this but either I went back into too deep of sleep, or something kept me from going back to sleep, like the telephone. Of course, I rarely have HI, so it may work great for you. I did take Valerian last night, woke up after 7 hours of sleep still very tired feeling, took 200mg of L-Theanine, and slept another 1 1/2 hours, no lucids. L- Theanine often works so I feel it is likely because I was still so tired from the Valerian I slept too deeply. Both of these substances increase GABA levels, but L-Theanine also increases dopamine and decreases serotonin, and promotes alpha brain waves, which makes sleep lighter, and helps me to become concious easier, I usually will wake up after a hour or so, on a WBTB after sleeping all night then going back to sleep and then WILD, the last time it worked great untill I thought my telephone was ringing, it wasn't, and then I false awakened. Anyway give the Valerian a try, it is a favorite of mine when I need to get some sleep, and it works similiar to L-Theanine in that it increases GABA, though I don't think it effects dopamine or serotonin like L-Theanine and I have read it increases deep sleep so it likely causes more delta and theta brain waves. This isn't all bad though, a lot of psychics and OBE practicianers say theta is the brain wave to aim for to OBE, but maintaining or gaining conciousness at the theta level is difficult, though possible.

[donnieb2]

Thanks firewalker for the reply i just got my order today of melatonin and valerian root. And the melatonin already has 10mg b6 in it anyway gonna try it out tonight and see what kind of result's i get.

[Firewalker]

You may find you need to set an alarm to wake you after 4 to 6 hours if you don't have the time to go back to sleep after a nights sleep, melatonin has produced lucid dreams for me but it has always been by WBTB method. Good luck!

[donnieb2]

Last night i had no sucess not even any luck with dream recall maybe i should have waited an hour before bed to try it.I just took everything and jumped in bed about 10 minute's later.And just waited for that magic momment i got one strong HI in like an hour but it sort of woke me up.Valerian stink's smell's like a bag of gym sock's that was found 7 years later i almost didnt want to take it.But i did and i noticed the calming effect it had i felt very relaxed and didnt want to move much.Not sure about the melatonin and b6 but anyway yeah im gonna try the wbtb this time and see what happen's.

[donnieb2]

Hey i finally did somthing i coundnt do in a long time.Remember my dream upon waking so maybe this stuff is working.So ill give it some more time and see where it take's me

[HonerableMoUsE]

so the dreamamins worked. I took one pill along with melatonin. it was a dumb short lucid where all i did was show off to my brother that i could float. . .he told me i looked like a floating head, then lucidity was lost. but it broke my 5 month dry spell.

[Enlightenment]

The galantamine/choline combination works extremely well when used properly. There are quite a few threads on it here. As far as the valerian/melatonin combo, I highly doubt it will work to help increase your LD frequency. In fact I suspect it will decrease recall, but you never know I suppose. Everyones bodies vary. I know this is a pretty old thread but I just had to answer seeing as I've just started using herbs again as a dream/lucid dream aid You are totally right FG. Valerian has tranquillizer like properties and is often used as a sleep aid i.e. insomnia and the like. It really doesn't increase lucid dreams, dream recall or even "normal" dreams as it pretty much knocks you out (well it does me) and you can't remember anything apart from getting in bed and waking up again lol, and this is what it's meant to do. However, this won't be the case for everyone as herbs (just like modern medicine) work differently for each person. I work with herbs quite a bit though (for many different purposes) and so do a lot of the people I know and they've all said the same thing regarding Valerian - it's great to help put you to sleep but as far as lucid dreams and dream recall goes it is pretty useless. Like I said though, if you suffer from insomnia it's excellent, highly recommended

[Michael]

Looks like they should change the term DILD, into Drug induced lucid dream.... more people seem to be doing it this way =P

[Enlightenment]

Looks like they should change the term DILD, into Drug induced lucid dream.... more people seem to be doing it this way =P HaHaHa, I like it Though I really think going o'naturel is the best way with just a little helper along the way when really needed i.e. a dry spell

[HonerableMoUsE]

whatever works. Isn't all this stuff natural anyway. Look at shamans for example, they use crazy drugs to advance spiritual awareness/exploration. In the book, The Art of Dreaming, Don Juan gave that guy a bunch of funky drugs to enhance his dream work too. perhaps drugs (natural, of course) is the way to do it. or perhaps not...i dunno. its just from what I've noticed is that a very diverse amount of drugs/herbs/whatever, have been used for thousands of years for spiritual growth and exploration by many different cultures....