Thread: Sota Bio Tuner

Day 1:
The device arrived today and these are the first initial impressions. Its small, light weight, put together nicely. I have not had a "session" with the device just yet as I am still researching settings, modes, ect. I did however try it out for about a minute.. Its noticeable to say the least.. I put the two ear clips onto my ears, the light comes on to tell you that a closed circuit has been completed (meaning a flow of current from 1 ear to the other). So I turn it onto mode 1, turn up the power knob a little.. I feel a buzzing from the connection to my ear, but I also feel my brain soaking in the juice.. my thoughts immediately become somewhat harder to complete and I feel more euphoric than anything else... i ran it for 1 minute compared to the standard 20 minute session. Before bed, I plan to run the full session then go to sleep. I'm not expecting anything significant tonight, as all the studies say it takes days or weeks to feel strong changes in sleep patterns or dreaming.. but I have seen people report immediate "changes" of some kind... we will see.. This will be considered my day 1, even though it is almost 10:30pm here... So I will continue this tomorrow and try to post daily as changes occur. All new post will be in my own thread linked below and not in this one. Thanks for the interest....

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/anyone...iences-125218/

Day 2:
Another restful night's sleep, with memorable dreams.. not a great recall but I remembered most details of the dreams, which was actually really impressive considering I went out drinking last night til and went to bed around 2am under the influence of alcohol lol... so to have any recall in this scenario was actually impressive. Nothing substantial to report today, but im not expecting anything right away as the deep effects are usually cumulative and after many sessions.

For anybody who is interested after having read many reviews on this site and
elsewhere on the internet I decided to order a Bio Tuner last week the main
reason for me was in the hope it might improve the vividness of my dreams.
I received it last Thursday and have been using it for one session of 20 minutes
in mode 1 every night before sleep.
I know its early days so far, but the only difference I have noticed is that i feel
more relaxed and chilled out since using it and my sleep seems to have improved
somewhat, mentally I believe I feel slightly more focused.
As far as Lucid dreams are concerned I have noticed no difference in my ld total
or any increase in dream vividness.

Originally Posted by DREAMER242000

For anybody who is interested after having read many reviews on this site and
elsewhere on the internet I decided to order a Bio Tuner last week the main
reason for me was in the hope it might improve the vividness of my dreams.
I received it last Thursday and have been using it for one session of 20 minutes
in mode 1 every night before sleep.
I know its early days so far, but the only difference I have noticed is that i feel
more relaxed and chilled out since using it and my sleep seems to have improved
somewhat, mentally I believe I feel slightly more focused.
As far as Lucid dreams are concerned I have noticed no difference in my ld total
or any increase in dream vividness.

Thanks for your update. I am on day 6 using mode 3 once early in the day and mode 1 right before sleep. The one thing that is incredible is that after running mode 1 for 20 minutes before sleep is that after it shuts off and I roll over, i can barely remember my head hitting the pillow before its the next morning and ive had a long restful nights sleep lol.. I have noticed I am having much better recall of dreams.. over-all, I feel very relaxed after using the device as well.. keep us updated and feel free to post in my thread as well with your results.. (in my sig) so others can follow it there too.

Thanks Atkins for the updates on your progress with the Bio tuner.
Last night I had my first noticeable effect on my dreaming with three
vivid dreams one becoming Lucid, vivid dreams are rare for me so i am
hoping this is a sign of more to come.

Originally Posted by DREAMER242000

Thanks Atkins for the updates on your progress with the Bio tuner.
Last night I had my first noticeable effect on my dreaming with three
vivid dreams one becoming Lucid, vivid dreams are rare for me so i am
hoping this is a sign of more to come.

I also had 3 very vidid dreams this morning, wiht partial lucidity. it seems the biotuner is doing exactly what its supposed to I just updated more info on my thread.


ALSO, dreamer, are you noticing waking life effects from the biotuner such as mental clarity, mood changes, or anything like that? The supposed effects of this machine go well beyond dreaming. I am starting to notice a gradual change in every day life, but I wont report noticeable waking changes until I experience them. I am experiencing something though.

Hi Atkins
I had another vivid dream which turned lucid last night which I am pleased
about.
As for the Bio tuners effect on my waking life, i feel more relaxed since using
it and things that once would have got me down don't seem to bother me now
its like taking St Johns wort, and as I said in an earlier post my mind seems more
focused.

Can anyone please post more updates about their findings in regards to this device? What differences in your life do you feel have gone through since the start of using this device?

Day 19:

So I have been using the device for what is going on 3 weeks.
I understand this forum is for "dreams" related things, but I want to give a full account up to this point of how
this device has affected me. The biotuner makes many claims, along with lucid dreaming..

A little background. I am someone who doesn't get much restful sleep. Also, take a medication for treating symptoms of a.d.d. So my experiments with this device were
personally meant to go much further than just lucid dreaming. I can tell you that every since I Have started using the BT7, my sleep has become very restful.. and most nights I am in bed by midnight, which wasn't typical at all.
I get a very long nights rest it feels now.. each morning I wake feeling well rested.. my days have changed as well.. i stopped taking vyvanse for a.d.d to see how the bt7 did with that. After the first week I was somewhat frustrated, my thinking was still cloudy, hazy... as it always was ... this is what a.d.d. feels like.. you can't complete thoughts, tasks, goals.. and so on.. i had filled a new script to alleviate these things but planned to hold out and see how the bt7 did. So the first week i was frustrated because it wasn't showing results there.. i was sleeping well, even having more vivid dreams... but now I can honestly report, after 3 weeks of using the device nightly.. I don't even desire the medicine anymore to clear up the symptoms of A.d.d., because i don't have the symptoms of A.d.d. Most days I think so clearly, that it doesn't feel like the meds would change anything... this truly is one thing I have been able to account for...

For the rest of you... my dreams have indeed became more vivid.. although I have learned that recall still completely vanishes if you dont journal.. I have longer, more vivid dreams it seems, but if i don't stop to focus on them after i wake up, and write them down.. i have no recollection of them, or very little of them, within an hour..

I will continue posting to this thread as I will continue using the device... but if someone were to ask me for an honest recommendation on whether to use this or not? Yes, go for it... because
if these effects continue, or even strengthen, then this device is a real life changer... to be able to go off the meds entirely and not be dependent on medication to be able to focus clearly is a "dream" of mine personally.. The effects I am feeling are no placebo effect.. its a difference you can truly feel being on add medication, and off add medication.. and this device is showing better results daily to replace that..

thanks guys. please continue to post your own results.

Originally Posted by atkins513

Day 19:

So I have been using the device for what is going on 3 weeks.
I understand this forum is for "dreams" related things, but I want to give a full account up to this point of how
this device has affected me. The biotuner makes many claims, along with lucid dreaming..

A little background. I am someone who doesn't get much restful sleep. Also, take a medication for treating symptoms of a.d.d. So my experiments with this device were
personally meant to go much further than just lucid dreaming. I can tell you that every since I Have started using the BT7, my sleep has become very restful.. and most nights I am in bed by midnight, which wasn't typical at all.
I get a very long nights rest it feels now.. each morning I wake feeling well rested.. my days have changed as well.. i stopped taking vyvanse for a.d.d to see how the bt7 did with that. After the first week I was somewhat frustrated, my thinking was still cloudy, hazy... as it always was ... this is what a.d.d. feels like.. you can't complete thoughts, tasks, goals.. and so on.. i had filled a new script to alleviate these things but planned to hold out and see how the bt7 did. So the first week i was frustrated because it wasn't showing results there.. i was sleeping well, even having more vivid dreams... but now I can honestly report, after 3 weeks of using the device nightly.. I don't even desire the medicine anymore to clear up the symptoms of A.d.d., because i don't have the symptoms of A.d.d. Most days I think so clearly, that it doesn't feel like the meds would change anything... this truly is one thing I have been able to account for...

For the rest of you... my dreams have indeed became more vivid.. although I have learned that recall still completely vanishes if you dont journal.. I have longer, more vivid dreams it seems, but if i don't stop to focus on them after i wake up, and write them down.. i have no recollection of them, or very little of them, within an hour..

I will continue posting to this thread as I will continue using the device... but if someone were to ask me for an honest recommendation on whether to use this or not? Yes, go for it... because
if these effects continue, or even strengthen, then this device is a real life changer... to be able to go off the meds entirely and not be dependent on medication to be able to focus clearly is a "dream" of mine personally..
The effects I am feeling are no placebo effect.. its a difference you can truly feel being on add medication, and off add medication.. and this device is working to replace that...

thanks guys. please continue to post your own results.

Wow, thankyou so much for your input on this device!! Its like the future me wrote that. I also suffer from ADD and Insomnia. I am currently prescribed 40 mg Vyvanse (If i must say so, it works amazingly), and for night time i am prescribed mylan-quetiapine 25 mg for sleep, which also works amazingly. On Vyvanse, i felt like i could achieve anything, and i was making everything possible and actually making things happen. I felt the happiest i had ever felt, and i literally felt like everything is in the palm of my hands. I became goal-oriented and nothing seemed to intimidate me. I felt like i was almost on path to becoming one of the greatest scholar. FAST FORWARD - My holistic doctor recommended to get off all meds. I injured myself from gym 2 months ago, which i know it was the heavy weights i was lifting. I went to this doctor as she does accupuncture/message/physio therapy, but she works with meridians which i am not too familiar with. She mentioned that my spleen is week and that i need to get off meds or her treatment wont work. Its been exactly 2 weeks since ive been off all meds, and i am so close to getting back on them. If my psychiatrist heard this, i am sure hed be upset about this as i am not following the prescription he gave me. Life again seems to be that much harder, i am getting so pissed at night time because i cant fall asleep on schedule, and i feel soooo damn tired in the mornings. While on vyvanse+sleep pills i was able to fall asleep by 10pm and wakeup at 8am. Now i cant fall asleep till after 2 am and am waking up past 11:30am!!!! I was currently studying for the GMAT and since ive been off meds (in 2 weeks) i have only been able to finish 1 chapter, while on vyvanse i was finishing 3 chapters a day! While on vyvanse, id feel like im nash from the beautiful mind, my mind was able to solve problems at a rate that i didnt even know was achievable, and i miss that so much.

I have ordered the new neurotrek digital pro 3 device but it wont be shipping until later this week. But at the end of the day, its the same device as sota bio tuner with added functionality of playing around. It is so good to hear that you feel like you can completely get off meds, because that is my ultimate goal. My ultimate goal is to work at the level that i work at while on vyvanse and also be able to sleep like a normal person by 10 am -= all without meds=-, which is why i am investing so much into this CES device.

I believe, given the research and peoples account, this CES device will be the answer to most of my problems. I am big into working out but i can never seem to get big, main reason being SHITTY SLEEPS! I have concluded even by ADD is related to shitty sleep constantly for 6+ years. If this device can heal my sleeping patters without the need to resort to pills, it will be miraculous to say the least.

Some more questions for you if you dont mind. Do you feel like your mind is working at the level it was while on vyvanse? Do you now feel like a normal person in terms of sleeping, like what you were before your insomnia started? Has your outlook on life changed as it did when you first started taking vyvanse?

Also Does anyone know what frequencies exactly does the bio tuner uses?

I have not checked out the neurotek yet that you mentioned but I am going to look it up in a moment. So let me try to answer this the best I can. I feel like my mind is working is much more functional way than it is without the vyvanse normally. I dont feel like I have hit the max peak yet that the device should offer.. if it can completely correct the chemical balance in the brain after more use as it claims then i should be at 100 percent within a few more weeks or so.. my symptoms have been very strong off the medicine so I have a feeling it will take a little more correction for me than most. I have been on the 50mg vyvanse for over a year. I had been off of it completely for over 2 months when I got my new prescription. I decided that instead of taking the vyvanse that I wanted to give this machine a shot, so i have not even opened the bottle yet at todays point. I dont feel 100 percent all the time yet, the way i did on vyvanse. However, the effectiveness of the CES treatment seems to be climbing more and more by the weeks.. Some days I feel incredible, like 100 percent.. like I couldnt even feel any better by taking the vyvanse... I have never felt this good without taking the vyvanse in my past. Some days, I feel kind of ok... but everyday seems more clear, focused, and motivated, than without the vyvanse, only using the ces device nightly. So the device is working, and some days I feel like I could be 100 percent, but others, like today for instance, im only feeling about 50 percent better.. I do want to say again, that even on days when i dont feel 100 percent, its leaps and bounds over doing nothing.. so the device is working, and i believe is gradually curing me completely. I do sleep pretty well.. usually im in bed by midnight, sometimes earlier now.. and I used to stay up most of the night before using the ces device, even on vyvanse, sleeping was more of an issue.. the one thing this treatment does hands down is help you sleep.. no one could deny that lol... my outlook on life is based on how effective the ces treatment feels that day.. it is getting better and better... and I think that will be 100 percent after more use of ces. Ive never been depressed but i do feel unmotivated many times... the vyvanse changed this incredibly.. and some days i feel this way with ces..

The biotuner uses over 500 frequencies in bundles.. but with different amplitudes and hertz ranges... this is confusing I know but thats the best I can explain it...
please continue to post your results to this thread as I would be very interested in hearing them... along with anyone else considering these methods for both dreaming and life improvement im sure...

Wow, this is honestly what i was expecting as well. Ive been following the medical research being done on these devices, and in some of the latest researches that are popping up, i have noticed that they are being funded by some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies (pfizer), which really caught my eye. Why would the biggest pharmaceutical company be interested in this device that might possibly hurt their business in a big way if it continues to work this successfully for a lot of people.

Now its interesting what you mentioned about how the biotuner works, because from my knowledge, the Neurotrek works by you setting individual frequencies yourself, that is the added benefit of that device, its recommended for more experienced users i suppose. So now im thinking maybe i should get the bio-tuner as well just for tuning up my brain back to normal levels without the worry of manually adjusting frequencies, while for specific purposes i will have the neurotrek. I just can't wait to get one though because being off meds has really put me back with my goals.

I know what you mean about your goals, because since I first started the vyvanse a couple years ago... i actualy got a lot of things accomplished in my life.. now im trying to avoid going back on the medicine to accomplish the same results. Only time will tell how the biotuner replaces that..

So have you felt any more gains with the use of the device? I got mine too earlier this week, so far i have used it for 3 days and only thing i feel so far is better focus than before and better moods, but its nowhere as strong as it would be say when i am on vyvanse.

Yea this thing seems to do wonders in the long run. Please continue to update this thread with your daily progression F2jilani

I have been using the device for 16 days now, twice a day on average. I usually do mode 1 for 10 minutes, then mode 3 for 10 minutes in the mornings and then mode 3 for 10 minutes, then mode 2 for 10 minutes before sleeping. Serious effects have only now started to kick in. My insomnia seems to have gotten much better. I can sleep within 20 minutes after using the device now at night time. Although i must mention i also have been taking warm milk+honey before sleeping. Overall i have become more social person again, and i can communicate better with people. My anxiety levels have seem to vanish, i never thought i had anxiety until i used this device and seeing what i have been capable of doing now that i wasn't before. Its been really weird for the past couple days, i am remembering things that are so minor details from past out of the blue. Things like user id's and passwords that i haven't used for several years, or people i had only met once quite briefly in the past but i still remembered them. Dreams seem to be getting more and more vivid by the day. My REM sleep time has been increasing daily (i have the Zeo sleep manager), which has consistently been giving be ZQ score 0f 80%+ daily now within the past week. my REM sleep for yesterday was 1 hr 48 minutes. My memory recall has been better than ever to recall dreams. My memory in general has sharpened. It seems to have almost cured my insomnia which was 1/2 the reason i started using this device. It still has not gotten my attention level to what i want it to be, which is what it is when i pop a vyvanse. I will wait it out patiently and see how the effects improve over the next 14 days. Also i must say, i definitely feel like somethings happening within my brain, i mean physically i feel it sort of vibrating or buzzing inside, as if i can feel the electricity. So far so good, but i really hope it can get my attention level to vyvanse level.

I ordered a Bio Tuner BT7 today. Once it arrives, I'll follow up as my experience progresses.

I made the purchase for other reasons, but definitely look forward to the possibility of more vivid dreams.

Much appreciation for everyone contributing to this thread.

Cheers!

*Bump*
Just got mine in the mail. I'll start updating. Not sure what frequency to experiment with though.
I'm going to try a 20 at around 6 PM Central, and again when I go to bed.
I am having a bit of a dry spell as well.

First night, and had a lucid. A vivid dream on the way in, and a lucid on the way out. I'm enjoying this thing already.
I used mode three for twenty minutes in the middle of the day, and then mode 2 prior to sleeping. So far so good.

Great, glad to see someone else posting experience here. Sounds like you are starting with a good method already. I have tried the first 3, but never used the last 3 modes because they are the same as the first 3 modes, but weaker in strength. I have found that if I do mode 1 and then mode 2 one after the other that my dreams tend to be more vivid. Especially if I do these right before bed. Or in opposite order mode 2 then mode 1. I haven't yet experimented a lot with mode 3. Be sure to keep us updated on what works best for you to give you the most vivid dreams and lucids.

Another dry spell, but I have consistently been using the bio tuner twice a day.
My sleep is very deep, with some dream recall here and there. But I have had no lucids until last night. I had two by using "The Phase" of Michael Raduga. I slept for five hours, woke up, and did some of the motions. It felt almost like an OBE/LD hybrid, but I enjoyed it.

Hi. I sell nothing, so I don't think I am breaking forum rules, but I will say that I am biased toward the Brain Tuner/Bio Tuner. I write this post because after reading conversations, it seems I can fill in a few gaps of missing info. If anyone is interested in listening to the audio lecture from the early 80s about this technology, then it is on Sharing Health From the Heart specializing in bio electric protocols as a free download.

Bob Beck was not a medical doctor, rather he had a Doctor of Science, he was a physicist and an electrical engineer, and list goes on. Very interesting human being whose ideas and work were decades ahead of his time. CES technology has been around for a hundred years. Originally called electro-sleep. Originally the intent was to try and put a person to sleep, but it didn't work quite like that. This was popular in Eastern Europe where most of the research was originally done. However, there was no interest in North America for this type of technology or electrotherapy in general. This is not necessarily due to conspiracy - although a little of that is definitely thrown in the mix - but rather North America had adopted a theory of Rationalist medicine. It wasn't enough that a therapy worked, you also had to have a theory of why and how it worked. With the prevailing medicine at the time believing we were wholly mechanical and chemical in nature - something electrical definitely did not follow any rational belief. However, forms of CES and electrotherapy continued to exist nonetheless - mainly because it worked....

That aside, Bob Beck based his CES unit, the Brain Tuner, or Biotuner, on the work of Meg Patterson and also the Russian research. Meg Patterson's unit was not portable, and she believed in entirely going the medical approval work. Bob's philosophy was that this type of technology, being wholly safe, should be in the hands of the people (he was dubbed the people's scientist) for individuals to choose for themselves. This is why this consumer product has no studies on it, and makes no claims other than relaxation and an increased sense of well-being. This was done to keep it easily accessible and affordable for the average person. In contrast, at the same time in the early 80s that Bob developed his unit, Daniel Kirsch of Alpha Stim developed his. He agreed with Patterson, and he wanted to go the medical route with FDA approval. As it turns out he had to finally sue the FDA in order to get it approved. So his CES unit is several hundred dollars more, but it does have many studies attached to it. Despite it being "approved" most in the medical establishment know little to nothing about it. So neither man was right or wrong in his approach - they just had different philosophies. From these two units sprung all the other companies making their own versions.

Bob did a lot of research in earlier years, and had also developed an EEG unit. With this unit, he observed the brain wave states of spiritual healers such as Shaman etc. This information was also built into the Brain Tuner (Biotuner) as the "secret" Russian 111.111 frequency, but also Bob decided to add in the earth frequency of 7.8 hz at the request of fellow scientists, friends and associates who felt this frequency assisted in meditative states.

It is true that a common "side-effect" can be lucid dreaming. However, the technology was actually for depression, anxiety, insomnia, addictions, brain enhancement etc. The Bio Tuner, or Brain Tuner, is a consumer product that is for relaxation and for promoting a sense of well-being, so it doesn't make any medical claims.

However, there are some cautions with using the unit. Twenty minute cycles are built-in and you should never use it more than 40 minutes at a time. Research indicates that 45 minutes is the "red" line, and after that point, anything beneficial starts being undone. If someone had a real serious condition, they may consider using the unit 40 minutes twice or 3 times a day, but not consecutively. For lucid dreaming purposes, probably 20 to 40 minutes once a day is probably sufficient. The other thing is, if someone wants restful sleep, it is not advised to use it sooner than 5 hours before bedtime. Also a caution is that it can cause temporary blood pressure drops, so you don't want to use it driving, etc - the usual warnings that come with all electronic equipment like this. Another is that approximately 10 percent of the population will get headaches or shoulder/neck pain with it, despite the fact the electrodes attach to the earlobes. Not sure what causes this, but it is occassionally reported.

Warm regards to all,
Vicki

Hopefully, this reply answers some questions and curiosities out there. Feel free to contact me using **Private Message**for any clarification on what I've said here.

Sorry, forgot to mention, the various modes are to prevent brain acclimization only. However, the 3rd mode, the 7.8 hz is the earth frequency, which some say assists them in reaching altered states, or deepens meditation.

Warm regards,
Vicki

Fascinating. Thanks everyone. I have ordered one from ebay and will arrive Monday. Will add my experiences to the thread.

I have sustained an injury from a anxiety med called Lexapro. For 12months I have had headaches, anhedonia, and almost no ability to form new memories. After reading a sentence or article, the memory of what I just read or learned vanishes like a dream in the morning. I feel like I have Bi Polar and Alzheimers. 100's of ppl in a couple of other forums I'm a member of also have suffered this injury from these drugs. I'm hoping this device helps and your posts have given me some hope.

I used to practice lucid dreaming about 15yrs ago. I'd forgotten all about it but my interest has been aroused again from this forum and I'm going to start a journal again after the device arrives.

Mine is a Sota BT8. As far as I can tell it's the same as the BT7 except the ear plug cord plugs into the unit via a usb type plug.

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