Thread: SMOKING. Tobbaco and possible negative effects on Lucid Dreaming?

Sketch! Is this true?

Originally Posted by Sony86

Sketch! Is this true?

Ha!Ha! You fucking moron!

who do you think you are coming to this thread to talk smack?
i dont recall anyone asking for your opinion much less your help or your insults. Grow up man'.

Originally Posted by juiceyfruit1714

who do you think you are coming to this thread to talk smack?
i dont recall anyone asking for your opinion much less your help or your insults. Grow up man'.

I know, right?

Actually, I have had the same question. I'm a smoker and have been having trouble LD'ing even with supplements. If anyone knows the answer here, I'd appreciate some feedback without the childish flaming.

I wish I knew...I've been smoking for about 6 years now(regularly anyhow) and it has occasionally floated into my head that the reason I'm not LDing could be from that....

I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, inhaling tar and nicotine can't be good for any part of your body.

You do know that smoking has other negative effects on your body than just not being able to lucid dream, right? Lung Cancer... throat cancer... bad teeth.. bad heart... bad breath... weakness... shortening life... oh I could go on!

yeah, but it depends on how much you smoke. I smoke maybe 2-4 cigarettes on the weekends only. The people who develop lung cancer and all that crap are the ones that smoke a pack or more a day. While doing that your giving the lung no time to repair. if you smoke a couple a week your lungs get a damn break from all those toxins!

Well I bought nicotine patches for the purpose of HAVING lucid dreams.

well i've been smokin for a while now too, i'm actually a pretty heavy smoker.
I think smoking has alot to do with lucid dreams but not mentally.
Breathing has alot to do with becoming lucid(or any other state of mind for that matter),and we all know (thanks to the surgeon general up there) that smoking damages our lungs. If you want a better shot at attaining lucidity, just dont smoke before bed or whenever you going to attempt..atleast give them a rest for a little bit.
I hope this helps at all lol

Originally Posted by TalkingHead

Well I bought nicotine patches for the purpose of HAVING lucid dreams.

Well that's exactly my point. Its the very reason that nicotine can help lucid dreaming that smoking and regular use would have the opposite effect.

Nicotine if overused will cause cause short term and possibly long term desensitization of the acetylcholine receptors.

I've been reading a lot on this, and it looks pretty clear that it WILL do damage to Lucid Dreaming.

Any smokers on here want to try a joint quitting and record how it effect dreaming?

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Well that's exactly my point. Its the very reason that nicotine can help lucid dreaming that smoking and regular use would have the opposite effect.

Nicotine if overused will cause cause short term and possibly long term desensitization of the acetylcholine receptors.

I've been reading a lot on this, and it looks pretty clear that it WILL do damage to Lucid Dreaming.

Any smokers on here want to try a joint quitting and record how it effect dreaming?

Yes I was afraid of that. Any smokers want my patches?

Can someone post online articles they have read on this subject here?

I'll take em! hahah

Just sayin', I'm sure every smoker will agree with me, It's a bad habit.

Smoking is indeed a bad habit and it does produce short and longterm damage to the nicotine receptors in the brain. However, according to a friendly psychiatrist I know (along with some reading I've done on the topic) nicotine receptors in the brain are separate and distinct from acetycholine receptors. Smoking does not affect production or re-uptake of acetycholine.

As a smoker, when people tell me that it has bad effects on my health... First I want to smack them for trying to be a smart ass.

(really guys, I'm not posting this to insult anyone here, I'm just sharing my opinion - not insulting you guys, again - not insulting.)

(erghhhmmm, with that said...)

I have been smoking for 8 years. Heavily. I'm 20. I started smoking when I was 12. I have lucid dreams.

It is kind of insulting to me for you to say that you can't have lucid dreams if you're a smoker... Maybe if you believe that there's a reason you can't have lucid dreams you will turn that into a reality for yourself. Again - power of the mind people, power of the mind....

.... And wait - cigarettes are bad for you? I could have sworn they had like, vitamin c, and ginseng, b-12, and like.... herbal supplements and stuff. You mean these things are bad for me? Really?

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Any smokers on here want to try a joint quitting and record how it effect dreaming?

If you are looking to quit, I would suggest reading The Easyway to Stop Smoking by Allen Carr. It works really well. Here is a link from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Way-Stop-...3074148&sr=8-1

Originally Posted by Sir Mark

However, according to a friendly psychiatrist I know (along with some reading I've done on the topic) nicotine receptors in the brain are separate and distinct from acetycholine receptors.

Well, that contradicts everything I've read on the subject, which says that nicotinic receptors are a subtype of acetylcholine receptors. So it would be interesting if you could provide some citations for these claims.

Smoking does not affect production or re-uptake of acetycholine.

I think that's correct, but do you dispute that nicotine is an acetylcholine agonist?

Originally Posted by cacophony

As a smoker, when people tell me that it has bad effects on my health... First I want to smack them for trying to be a smart ass.

(really guys, I'm not posting this to insult anyone here, I'm just sharing my opinion - not insulting you guys, again - not insulting.)

(erghhhmmm, with that said...)

I have been smoking for 8 years. Heavily. I'm 20. I started smoking when I was 12. I have lucid dreams.

It is kind of insulting to me for you to say that you can't have lucid dreams if you're a smoker... Maybe if you believe that there's a reason you can't have lucid dreams you will turn that into a reality for yourself. Again - power of the mind people, power of the mind....

.... And wait - cigarettes are bad for you? I could have sworn they had like, vitamin c, and ginseng, b-12, and like.... herbal supplements and stuff. You mean these things are bad for me? Really?

I'm a smoker too (or at least was until 2 days ago)
The problem with your "its all in the mind" argument, is that Nicotine IS a chemical, and a chemical that is pretty clearly linked to lucid dreaming and the relevant receptors in the brain.

In you're argument of "power of the mind"
then try drinking an entire bottle of vodka, then using the power of your mind to become instantly sober. Is'nt going to happen. Why? because like smoking, its an altered state due to an external alteration of your brain chemistry.


Anyway, if you're so pro "power of the mind"... why do you need to smoke?

No offence, like i said, until 2 days ago i was a smoker.
I'm just not going to let some crappy addiction ruin the subject im really interested in OR my health.

Originally Posted by Thor

Well, that contradicts everything I've read on the subject, which says that nicotinic receptors are a subtype of acetylcholine receptors. So it would be interesting if you could provide some citations for these claims.



I think that's correct, but do you dispute that nicotine is an acetylcholine agonist?

I stand corrected. Yes, it would seem that nicotonic receptors ARE a subtype of acetycholine receptor. I'll have to have another chat with my buddy the psychiatrist.

No, I don't.

As a smoker of many years, if the information in Yuschak's book is correct, I have damaged those receptors longterm. I've tried the Galantamine/Choline combination with limited success in regard to lucidity. I tend to believe that maybe it is due to my smoking. Therefore, I am going to refocus my supplement regimen to focus on REM suppresion/rebound and dopamine enhancement, hopefully bypassing the damage done by my lifestyle choices to achieve higher level LD's.

Im sure that any damage can be undone.
Probably just by giving up and giving your body time to adapt to living without nicotine. I expect once you no longer crave nicotine it would mean that the receptors are starting to heal.

Originally Posted by Sir Mark

As a smoker of many years, if the information in Yuschak's book is correct, I have damaged those receptors longterm. I've tried the Galantamine/Choline combination with limited success in regard to lucidity. I tend to believe that maybe it is due to my smoking. Therefore, I am going to refocus my supplement regimen to focus on REM suppresion/rebound and dopamine enhancement, hopefully bypassing the damage done by my lifestyle choices to achieve higher level LD's.

If it may be any consolation to you, I used to smoke too (though that was many years ago and lasted for only two years), but it hasn't prevented me from having lucid dreams today. I've had many lucids with supplements and even some without them. In fact, the most successful supplement for me has been nicotine patches. So maybe it suggests that the long term desensitation of nicotinic receptors is reversible.

Originally Posted by Sir Mark

I stand corrected. Yes, it would seem that nicotonic receptors ARE a subtype of acetycholine receptor. I'll have to have another chat with my buddy the psychiatrist.

No, I don't.

As a smoker of many years, if the information in Yuschak's book is correct, I have damaged those receptors longterm. I've tried the Galantamine/Choline combination with limited success in regard to lucidity. I tend to believe that maybe it is due to my smoking. Therefore, I am going to refocus my supplement regimen to focus on REM suppresion/rebound and dopamine enhancement, hopefully bypassing the damage done by my lifestyle choices to achieve higher level LD's.

Okay, call me stupid but I don't know if trying reverse effects done by 20 years of smoking, while still smoking will really work. Good luck though.